Tata Metaliks Limited
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Management on call
Sandeep Kumar
MANAGING DIRECTOR, TATA
Subhra Sengupta
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER,
Sahil Sanghvi
MONARCH NETWORTH CAPITAL LIMITED
Key numbers — 40 extracted
rs,
Rs.2,746 crore
Rs.339 crore
Rs.
307 crore
Rs.30 crore
Rs.31 crore
Rs1
1.5 crore
Rs. 50,000
Rs40,000
Rs.
60,000
15%
Guidance — 20 items
Sandeep Kumar
opening
“I missed, one important point, is that the expansion project, the first phase which we were supposed to commission by March, April, is actually under commissioning.”
Sandeep Kumar
opening
“And the second phase would then get commissioned by let's say, early next year.”
Ashit Patel
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“So, can we expect, in the case which you mentioned can we expect the Pig Iron segment margins to return back to the level it were in like quarterback?”
Sandeep Kumar
opening
“Yes, so Pig Iron margins will be absolutely robust.”
Ashu Patel
opening
“Once your second plant of DI is online, and then we can that we will be, having only capacity to merchant sell around one 100,000 of metric tonne of Pig Iron.”
Sandeep Kumar
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“Because both the blast furnaces have been misfiring for the last six months, one is up for major repair, it is used, it has reached it campaign life, end of campaign life, and therefore we don‟t expect much, we are not able to push it.”
Subhra Sengupta
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“Saket, what I have said for the growth CAPEX it will be Rs.”
Subhra Sengupta
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“100 crores, which is pending and which will be done in FY23.”
Subhra Sengupta
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“100 crores and also the sustenance CAPEX, a lot we are spending on the digital automation and also another cost related project, yet another say Rs.”
Subhra Sengupta
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“So, all put together will be spending in the region of Rs.”
Risks & concerns — 15 flagged
So, the old prices, the drag of the old prices continues to haunt us in our profitability.
— Sandeep Kumar
And the overall impact of this for the year has been huge, has been upwards to Rs.
— Sandeep Kumar
And the coal maybe the highest impact, but the other also got a substantial impact of another say Rs.
— Subhra Sengupta
So, we may take a little bit more time to stabilize, that's the only concern.
— Sandeep Kumar
My question was regarding, given that Pig Iron prices have seen a sharp up move, since February, meanwhile coking coal and iron ore prices have soften.
— Ashit Patel
Raw material will indeed put some, will ease off the pressure as and when they come down, and you rightly said there has been some softening.
— Sandeep Kumar
So, in fact it's only started booming in March, after the impact of Ukraine, Russia conflict was visible.
— Sandeep Kumar
Secondly, I would like to understand how difficult it is for a new player to come in this particular industry, because I believe two new players have already announced their venture into DI.
— Shubham Agarwal
But on the whole setting up a DI Pipe industry is extremely difficult, and long drawn.
— Sandeep Kumar
So, we will be having a little bit of a challenge there.
— Sandeep Kumar
So, you have already seen the impact of high-cost inventory in Quarter 4.
— Sandeep Kumar
For Pig Iron, there was no challenge for lower demand in the domestic front, because of the material availability thing.
— Ratika Tiwari
And therefore, you will start seeing the impact of that.
— Sandeep Kumar
Imagine a bulk buyer versus a retail buyer okay plus making foundry grade is more difficult, maintaining quality etc.
— Sandeep Kumar
Maybe the spreads will improve if the raw material prices continue to soften.
— Sandeep Kumar
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Opening remarks
Sahil Sanghvi
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the Tata Metaliks Q4FY22 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Monarch Network Capitals. Just a reminder that all participant lines are in listen-only mode right now and muted, and request you to keep it on mute for a proper conference call to happen. And after the initial remarks from MD Sir, we will open the floor for questions. The manner that we will follow through is that you shall have to raise your hand, and I will unmute you, and you can go ahead with the question. I request to limit the questions to three, so that everyone gets a chance. Over to you Sandeep Sir, for the introductory remarks. Thank you.
Sandeep Kumar
Welcome to all the investors, the analysts. Thank you very much for joining the call. I think the quarter 4 results of Tata Metaliks has been a bit of a mixed bag. While we have achieved, I would say a higher profitability compared to Quarter 3, but we could have done much better. And I will explain to you the reasons for that. Essentially, I think, if we look at also the overall numbers for the year, we have reached a revenue of Rs.2,746 crores, and the profit before tax of Rs.339 crores, which is the highest level of profits for the company. The second highest or the previous best was last year at Rs. 307 crores. But this also includes sale of land from our Maharashtra asset which was lying with us for quite some time, and which we had discontinued, almost about 9 to 10 years back. So, there was a windfall gain of almost Rs.30 crores to Rs.31 crores coming in from there. So, overall if you look at the profit before tax is more or less similar to what we had last year, which is, it co
Subhra Sengupta
You have covered everything, but the price of other commodities like zinc, magnesium that has also got like haywire in last six months, and that DIP conversion cost, all raw material cost has got a huge push. And the coal maybe the highest impact, but the other also got a substantial impact of another say Rs. 10 crore to Rs.15 crore kind of. Other things you have covered.
Sahil Sanghvi
Thank you. So, now investors, whoever want to ask a question, they can just press the Raise Hand button, and I will unmute them and they can go ahead one after the other. Yes, Dhaval Joshi, you may go ahead and please ask your question.
Dhaval Joshi
There is a couple of questions from my side, first, can you give us the trajectory of how the DI Pipes sales would be for FY23? And from when or which quarter, we could see better realizations in terms of the higher price contract to flow in, to impact the profitability.
Sandeep Kumar
I missed, one important point, is that the expansion project, the first phase which we were supposed to commission by March, April, is actually under commissioning. And we should start commercial production by next month. Despite the fact that the overseas engineers are not able to come in to India, because of the COVID related visa restrictions, and these are primarily from China. So, they face the maximum problem, currently they are undergoing, they are also facing this wave of COVID. We are actually using augmented reality, a digital technology to commission the plant. And different equipments have already been commissioned, the rest are under process. So, let's say sometime next month, if we start production, then if we did, let's say about 230,000 to 240,000 tonnes of DI Pipes, this year, then in FY23, we should be able to do, let's say anywhere between 280,000 to 300,000 tonnes or even more, depending on how fast we commission and stabilize the plant. And the second phase would t