ARSSBL · Q1 FY27 · earnings call
ARSSBL
ARSSBL reported strong financial performance in Q1 FY27, with revenue up 22.37% YoY and EBITDA growth of 30.19%. The company emphasized a balanced approach between broking and non-broking segments, highlighted risks related to fraudulent activities, and discussed future strategies including expansion into Dubai.




Key financials
| Total revenue from operations | ₹246 crore | |
| EBITDA | ₹97.3 crore | |
| PAT before exceptional items | ₹39.1 crore | |
| Asset under custody | ₹0.0113 crore | |
| MTF book | ₹1,332 crore | |
| Distribution AUM | ₹9,479 crore |
Segment commentary
Broking business
Contributes 52% of revenue, with a focus on equity cash segment.
Non-broking segment
Includes MTF and distribution, contributing 29% of revenue. AUM growth in mutual funds and other products is steady.
Guidance & outlook
- Targeting a 50-50 mix between broking and non-broking income.
- MTF book expected to reach ₹1,750 crore to ₹1,800 crore by end of FY27.
- Distribution AUM growth target of 40% YoY.
Notable quotes
“The future for the capital market is definitely good, and we believe there will be constant growth in the coming days.”— Pradeep Gupta
“Our focus is on maintaining a near 50-50 mix over the medium term to reduce the impact of market volatility.”— Roop Kishor Bhootra
Key takeaways
- Strong financial performance driven by both broking and non-broking segments.
- Balanced approach to reduce market volatility impact.
- Focus on expanding MTF and distribution AUM with disciplined risk management.
- Fraudulent activities highlight the need for enhanced internal controls.
Risks flagged
- Fraudulent activities in depository segment leading to exceptional expenses.
- Regulatory changes impacting trading activity and leverage.
Educational analysis only. Not investment advice. Consult a
SEBI-registered advisor before investing. Source: https://nsearchives.nseindia.com/corporate/ARSSBL_2024_20072026181711_Transcript_Intimation_sd.pdf
Full transcript (7,302 words)
July 20, 2026
To, To,
BSE Limited National Stock Exchange of India Ltd.
Phiroze Jeejeebhoy Towers, Exchange Plaza, Plot no. C/1, G Block,
Dalal Street, Bandra-Kurla Complex,
Mumbai- 400001 Bandra (E), Mumbai - 400051
Scrip Code: 544530 Symbol: ARSSBL
Dear Sir/ Madam,
Subject: Earnings Conference Call Transcript for the First Quarter Ended June 30, 2026 held on
July 15, 2026
Dear Sir/Madam,
This is in continuation to our letter dated July 15, 2026, wherein we had informed regarding the audio link
of the earnings call with analysts/investors for the first quarter ended June 30, 2026. In this regard, we are
enclosing herewith copy of the earnings conference call transcript for the first quarter ended June 30, 2026,
held on July 15, 2026.
The transcript is also available on the Company’s website at https://anandrathi.com/investors
We request you to kindly take the above on record.
Thanking you.
Yours faithfully,
For Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers Limited
Chetan Prajapati
Company Secretary and Compliance Officer
Membership No.: A39130
Enclosed: As above
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Website: www.anandrathi.com
“Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers Limited
Q1 FY 27 Earnings Conference Call”
July 15, 2026
MANAGEMENT: MR. PRADEEP GUPTA – CHAIRMAN AND MANAGING
DIRECTOR – ANAND RATHI SHARE AND STOCK
BROKERS LIMITED
MR. ROOP KISHOR BHOOTRA – WHOLE-TIME
DIRECTOR – ANAND RATHI SHARE AND STOCK
BROKERS LIMITED
MR. TARAK SHAH – CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER –
ANAND RATHI SHARE AND STOCK BROKERS LIMITED
MODERATOR: MR. CYRIL PAUL – EY
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Moderator: Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers
Limited Q1 FY27 Earnings Conference Call hosted by EY. As a reminder, all participant lines
will be in the listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after
the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal
an operator by pressing '*' then '0' on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is
being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Cyril Paul from EY. Thank you and over to you, sir.
Cyril Paul: Thank you, Swapnali. Good evening everyone and welcome to the Q1 FY27 earnings call of
Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers Limited. The company has published its results and
uploaded the investor presentation on the exchanges yesterday and you can also find them on
the company's website.
Before we start, a disclaimer: some of the statements made in today's earnings call may be
forward-looking in nature. Such forward-looking statements are subject to risks and
uncertainties which can cause actual results to differ from those anticipated. Such statements are
made on management beliefs and assumptions based by information currently available to the
management. Audiences are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking
statements while making their investment decisions.
And on that note, let me introduce you to the management. We have with us Mr. Pradeep Gupta,
Chairman and Managing Director; Mr. Roop Kishor Bhootra, Whole-Time Director; Mr. Tarak
Shah, Chief Financial Officer; and other members of the team. Without further ado, I'd like to
hand over the call to Mr. Gupta for his opening remarks. Thank you and over to you, sir.
Pradeep Gupta: Thank you, Cyril. Good evening to all of you and a warm welcome to our first earnings call for
the new financial year. FY27 has commenced against a backdrop of both challenges and
opportunities. The Indian equity markets navigated a complex operating environment during
Quarter 1 FY27, shaped by heightened geopolitical tensions, global macroeconomic
uncertainties and elevated volatility.
The West Asia crisis and the sustained uncertainty around the Strait of Hormuz led to a
temporary spike in crude oil prices, exerting second-order pressure on input costs across
industries globally and contributing to currency volatility. Foreign outflow continued through
the quarter totaling roughly about ₹1.43 lakh crores across April-June quarter compared with the
₹1.31 lakh crores during Jan-March 26 quarter.
India's monsoon began with a sharp 40% rainfall deficit in June due to El Niño, though early
July has seen a recovery that has narrowed the shortfall to around 20% below normal, supporting
a catch-up in Kharif sowing activity. While these developments weighed on risk sentiment and
kept investors cautious, the Indian economy and capital markets have continued to demonstrate
remarkable resilience, supported by strong domestic liquidity, healthy macroeconomic
fundamentals and sustained participation from domestic investors.
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This confidence was reflected in the market performance with benchmark indices gaining
roughly about 6% to 7% sequentially. Retail investors continue to participate in the capital
market story, as demonstrated by India's demat account base increased to 23 crores in June. Also
the mutual fund industry, yet another barometer of investor sentiment, continued its strong
growth trajectory with industry AUM reaching to ₹82.2 lakh crores in June 26 from ₹73.73 lakh
crores in March 26, highlighting continued investor preference for market-linked saving
avenues.
This is also sustained with new SIP additions during the June month touching to about 66 lakh
compared to 53 lakh during month of March. It is encouraging to note that this positive sentiment
was not limited to investors alone. Corporate India also continued to demonstrate confidence in
the capital market as reflected in a strong pipeline of about 42 companies filing draft offer
documents with SEBI during the quarter, reaffirming the continued attractiveness of Indian
capital market as a platform for growth and capital formation.
It is pertinent to note that the broking industry is transitioning into a phase of more measured
activity following the exceptional growth witnessed over the last few years. While the investor
base continued to expand, accompanied with growth in cash market turnover sequentially by
roughly about 13%, moderation is seen in the trading activity in the derivative segment,
indicating the incremental participation is increasingly being driven by long-term investing
rather than purely trading-led activities.
A key driver of this transition has been the evolving regulatory framework. Both SEBI and the
RBI have been taking a series of calibrated measures aimed at strengthening market resilience,
improving risk discipline, reducing excessive leverage and enhancing investor protection within
the financial system.
SEBI's measures in the equity derivative segment, including upfront collection of option
premium, tighter expiry day margin treatment, enhanced intraday position monitoring, higher
contract sizes and rationalizing of weekly expiries are aimed at curbing excessive speculative
activities and improving investor protection. In parallel, the RBI's revised capital market
exposure framework, now effective from July 1st, 2026, introduces a more principle-based
approach to bank lending to capital market intermediaries, resulting in increase in the working
capital significantly.
Now speaking about our company, I am happy to report that our business model remains well
aligned to the evolving regulatory environment. With our focus strategy centered around
maintaining a diversified revenue mix and a strong focus on client-led businesses, we believe
we are well poised to navigate these changes while continuing to create long-term value for our
stakeholders.
The effectiveness of this strategy is clearly reflecting in our financial metrics. During the quarter,
our total revenue from operations for the quarter stood at about ₹2,461 million, representing a
growth of 22.37% Y-o-Y. EBITDA grew by 30.19% to ₹973 million, translating into a healthy
EBITDA margin of 39.54%. And PAT before exceptional items grew by almost 71.2% to ₹391
million, translating to PAT margin (before exceptional item) before exceptional item of 16%.
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Our asset under custody stood at about ₹1.13 lakh crores, representing an annual growth of about
21.44% from Q1 FY26. Our MTF book stood at ₹13,318 million with a strong rise of about 55%
from last year, while the distribution AUM, which gives us a long trail income, reached to
₹94,791 million, growing by about 25.82% Y-o-Y. Encouragingly, the expanding asset base has
been complemented by healthy levels of client activity.
During this quarter, we have recognized an exceptional expense of about ₹209.96 million
towards the restoration of securities of two of our clients in depository segment businesses who
suffered losses due to fraudulent off-market transfer from their demat account. The aforesaid
amount includes the contingent liability disclosed in previous quarter, which has now been
recognized as expense along with the impact of fraud identified during the current quarter in
continuation to previous fraud.
We have reported the incident to relevant authorities, including the depositories and stock
exchanges, and has also lodged an FIR with Economic Offence Wing. The matter is currently
under investigation with the relevant authorities. Nevertheless, as a matter of prudence and
pending outcome of investigation, we have recognized the related outflow as of exceptional
expense in the current quarter. We further state that the EOW has traced the money trail and has
attached certain assets and bank accounts of the beneficiaries of fraudulent transactions. Further
we have filed insurance claim to recover the eligible losses incurred. Any recoveries from such
claim or through legal proceedings will be accounted for as and when the realization becomes
reasonably certain.
To further strengthen our internal control and processes, we have also hired an external
consultant to have their valuable input and to incorporate the same wherever required to ensure
such incidents do not occur in future.
Going ahead, we expect our MTF book to reach around ₹1,750 crores to ₹1,800 crores by end
of this financial year, while distribution AUM is targeted to scale by 40%, driven by higher
wallet share of existing client and disciplined risk management. As guided earlier, we will
continue to move towards maintaining a 50-50 mix between our broking and non-broking
income, despite active growth in both the businesses.
Another key priority is to deepen our client engagement through enhancing our digital platform,
which now offer real-time data, advanced analytics and simplified portfolio tracking. We will
focus on AI-led insights to enable a full end-to-end digital onboarding and transaction
ecosystem, supported by deep integration with India's digital public infrastructure such as UPI,
Account Aggregator framework and eSign and DigiLocker.
We believe these initiatives will further strengthen our client franchise, improve scalability and
position us well to capture the next phase of growth. Before I conclude, I would like to take this
opportunity to thank all our stakeholders, shareholders for their participation in the first Annual
General Meeting post listing and for their continued trust, encouragement and support.
With that, I would like now to hand over the call to Mr. Roop Bhootra, our Whole-Time Director,
who will take you through the financial and business performance in detail.
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Roop Bhootra: Thank you, Pradeep ji. Good evening everyone. I will give you a quick snapshot on the financial
performance of first quarter financial year '27. As mentioned by Pradeep ji, our total revenue for
the quarter stood at ₹2,461 million, reflecting a growth of 22% on a year-on-year basis, driven
by growth in both broking and non-broking segments.
On the profitability front, EBITDA for the quarter stood at ₹973 million, translating into an
EBITDA margin of 39.54%, while PAT (before exceptional item) came in at ₹391 million,
growing by 71.22% year-on-year basis, with a PAT margin (before exceptional item) of 16%
and PAT (after exceptional item) is ₹233.51 million, growing by 2.35% Y-o-Y basis, with a
PAT margin (after exceptional item) of 9.49%.
At segmental level, our revenue mix during the quarter remained well balanced, with 52%
contributed by the broking business, 29% by the non-broking segment comprising of MTF plus
distribution, while remaining from other income. We continue to consistently focus on
maintaining a near 50-50 mix over the medium terms, thereby reducing the impact of market
volatility in the broking business on overall top line and ensuring greater stability and
predictability of earnings.
Within this framework, our broking income stood at ₹1,280 million, of which 51% came from
equity cash segment, which is our core focus area. In the non-broking segment, interest income
from our MTF book contributed ₹428 million, while income from distribution stood at ₹ 275
million.
Revenue from broking and related services has increased by approximately 7% on quarter-on-
quarter basis and MTF book and distribution AUM has increased by approximately 22% on
quarter-on-quarter basis.
During the quarter, our external credit rating was upgraded to A1+ for short-term bank facilities
and were assigned a credit rating of A+ for long-term bank facilities. Our debt-equity ratio stands
at 0.81 as of 30th June, which enables to increase our borrowing limit at reasonable cost.
At the same time, we continue to invest in building our human capital, which remains a key
differentiator for us. Our employee base has grown to 2,263 during the quarter, up from 2,148
in quarter 1 FY26, reflecting our continued focus on strengthening execution capabilities and
supporting long-term growth.
Equally, the strength of our franchise is reflected in the longevity of our client relationships.
Approximately 57% of our clients have been associated for over 3 years, underscoring strong
client stickiness and trust in our platform. Overall, the quarter reflects the strength and resilience
of our business model while the operating environment remains dynamic. We believe our
diversified approach positions us well to navigate near-term challenges and capture emerging
opportunities.
We are now open to any questions you may have.
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Moderator: Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. We will take the
first question from the line of Nachiket Kale from NK. Please go ahead.
Nachiket Kale: Yes, hi. Good evening, sir. Thanks for the opportunity. And also thankful for the insightful
opening remark. It's good to know that you have also expanded your team and the employee
count has gone up. So carrying on that front, just a macro question, what is your general outlook
on the capital market overall, given that the volatility we've seen and the regulator curbs on
F&O? And coupled with that, on the retail front, we've delivered grew, commendable non-
broking growth. So could you please comment further on what is the strategy and outlook on
that?
Pradeep Gupta: Thank you for the question. Just to address over here, in my opinion and we believe that future
for the capital market is definitely good and we believe there is going to be a constant growth
going to happen going forward. I personally feel next 3 years are going to be good at least in in
in coming days.
Though we are seeing intermittently, there are concerns because of geopolitical reason or
otherwise, but I personally feel that the GDP growth which is happening in our country is going
to take you to a different level. And probably now the valuations are at a space where probably,
people will again start looking at.
So whatever FII outflow we have seen, we have already, experienced in in later days, in initial
days of July first week, I think that have mellowed down to a great extent and over a period of
time I think this may become positive. So I personally feel that market, capital market conditions
are good and it's good for, broking industry and capital market related activities also.
Now in terms of our, overall strategy, we have been constantly talking that pure broking
businesses are obviously susceptible to the volatility because of a simple reason market, capital
market, more specifically broking side, had got an volatility on a short-term basis. To reduce
that volatility from our earnings, we have, taken a route to go for a non-broking side, which
consists of all the distribution of financial products as well as margin trading funding book. And
that's where we are constantly looking at it. And as a result, we have already reached to
somewhere around ₹9,500 crores kind of a asset under management in our distribution book.
And if you really look at it, our MTF, book which we where we have already reached to
somewhere around ₹1,330 crores. So, I think and then, and our focus is constantly there. We
believe that there is going to be a growth consistently coming or happening on a distribution side
and we believe we are going to grow on a distribution side by about 40%.
In terms of our MTF book. This is also a part of how much capital you can infuse and how much
free capital or liquid capital is available with you or how you can probably raise the funds and
probably put that capital for funding side. But this year we are aiming to reach to somewhere
around ₹1,750 crores to ₹1,800 crores kind of a MTF book from presently ₹1,330 crores kind of
a book. So that's what the status is and we believe that this is going to constantly grow in near
future also.
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Nachiket Kale: Right, but sir, in the grand scheme of things, what is the risk management approach towards
MTF because, we've seen across the industry MTF volumes are picking up majorly once the
F&O curbs came in. So, people are looking at it to leverage for maximum gain, but the reverse
is also true. So, what is the risk management approach towards that?
Pradeep Gupta: So, you are absolutely right, this book is susceptible to risk, but it all depends how you are trying
and managing your risk. So, I mean, we have done two-three things. One is we are not providing.
This MTF book is not being allocated by anyone towards F&O side. This is largely for a cash
market transaction. So, there is a security of cash market.
And internally what we have done that we have segregated and whatever about 2,000 plus kind
of a scrips are available for MTF book side and we have selected and chosen certain amount of
securities within our selection criteria and we are funding and financing against only those kind
of a securities.
And again, if you really see our book position, our large portion of book position is below ₹1
crores. That says that we are not taking a concentrated effort on a specific customer base.
Similarly, we are also not -- we have created a various different parameters, that is where our
concentration on one specific scrip is not happening and we are also not giving funding or
financing or MTF loan to the customer beyond a individual specific limit being set by us.
So, these are few of our internal control which we have put in and as a result, you will be happy
to note that we have been working in this space since 2017 and there is not a single paisa or pie
is being lost or we have seen any kind of a delinquencies in our, this MTF book. So yes, it all
depends on management and we are doing and our risk management is quite capable to control
all the risk which may or which can happen in this particular book.
Nachiket Kale: Okay, great. Thanks, sir. That's all from my side. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Yash Jhurani from Qode Advisors.
Please go ahead.
Yash Jhurani: Hello, am I audible?
Moderator: Yash, you're audible.
Pradeep Gupta: Yes, you're audible, Yash.
Yash Jhurani: So, I just had two small questions. One was on the MTF loan book which grew around 21% this
quarter, but interest earned on it stayed kind of flat and like I just wanted to know why is that?
And is the MTF rate coming down overall in the industry or it did the loan growth say generally
happened in the last quarter? So that was the first question.
And the second one being, most of our clients are older and loyal, say at around 57% are three
plus years, but as young investors, say, come into the market and the average turnover increases
overall, they go straight towards the app. Where do you see the next client at your end coming
from?
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Roop Bhootra: Yes, Yes, Yash. So it's a really good question where you have rightly analyzed that yes, our
MTF interest income, that is flat in Q4 and the current Q1. So there is one important thing which
is there, in both the quarter if you go in terms of the average book which is there, that book is
flat. But the positive aspect which is there, that in March month actually the book got reduced
because you might be aware about that particular, in that particular month, the market fell down
by 15% approximately in terms of mid-cap side.
So book size has reduced and book size went down in last quarter and it was near to the extent
of ₹1,100 crores. But post that the book has started increasing on gradual basis and book has
reached by the year end at a peak level of ₹1,330 crores. So the since the average book size in
both the quarter was at par, so that's why the interest income was at a flat level, but the positive
thing that book is now continuously growing in this particular quarter. So this is the reason that
interest income is on flat side. And second thing you have asked in terms of the, Yes.
Pradeep Gupta: So you have asked about the, 57% three year plus and looking at young population who are
largely attracting towards app side. If you really see our model, we are largely targeting those
customers who are well understood and in age group of about 25 to 30 years, because of a simple
reason those are the customers who are literally ripe enough and are -- understand enough about
the investment philosophy and they are largely working and looking at wealth creation and
wealth building by way of investing in investment products such as equity and other investment
products such as mutual fund, AIF and PMS and so and so forth.
And that's where our target customer lies. Having said that, all those customers at a initial age
bracket, those who are interested in investment and those who wants to only look at investment
are also our target customer through our app and they are literally coming on the app through us
also -- with us also.
But if you really look at and glance through the market side, largely those young customers are
opting the F&O over investment in cash market and that's where initially three to five years they
spend -- they work on a trading activities, they execute their trades on F&O basis in F&O
businesses and once they understand that they cannot devote time, they cannot keep pace with
those kind of a trading activity as well as they lost their money over there, then they start
changing their strategies and come to investment platform and look at investment as an avenue.
So in our case, obviously, we are deliberately looking at those kind of a customers who are
looking for an investment solution and interested to invest and create their growth and that's the
reason you will find about 30 years plus customer base is with us in large and the longevity of
customer base with us for more than three year, five year is 49%*.
(* this should be read as 43.44% instead of 49%)
Yash Jhurani: Sir, just one small follow-up, just need a number if it's possible. Could we know the customer
acquisition cost that we take to get these kinds of customers above the age of 30? Is it possible
for us to know?
Pradeep Gupta: So typically if you really see we do not really maintain and manage from a customer acquisition
cost because of a simple reason we do have RMs who are supporting and assisting our customers
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all across the country. Now these RMs are getting lots of referrals because of our service
standard, because of our deliveries and we are also acquiring these customers by way of doing
various different activities in various different places and regions.
So based on those activities we invite customers to and educate them on various different
platform on investment and investment products and that's where the existing customer as well
as prospective customer comes, hear us -- hear our views on a different platform and then they
start chasing us and talking to us for their investments and that's the reason we really can't make
out what is the actual cost to acquire a specific customer base. But by and large with these
activities our customer cost -- customer acquisition cost is really, really in control.
Roop Bhootra: Just to add to it, apart from our own I can say the B2C channel, we have B2B channel which is
equally strong and there all our business partner or franchisee, they are there on the complete
variable model. So they are also acquiring clients on constant basis based on their relationship
and naturally in that particular vertical the cost is again the zero in terms of any acquisition.
Yash Jhurani: Understood. Thank you so much.
Moderator: Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Arka Bhattacharjee from Finedge
Analytics. Please go ahead.
Arka Bhattacharjee: Yes, hi. Good afternoon, sir. Congratulations on the good set of numbers. I have one question
regarding this 21 crores compensation that has been made to the clients. Any specific
enhancement that you have made to this by digital security framework so that these things do
not happen in future?
Pradeep Gupta: I'm sorry, Mr. Bhattacharjee, can you just repeat the question? I can't really get your voice
clearly. Can you just repeat again?
Arka Bhattacharjee: Yes, sir. Sorry for this. I was asking that there was this 21 crores of compensation that our
company has made to the clients. So I just wanted to know is there a specific measurement that
has been taken to handle these kind of security framework which might not repeat in future so
that like these things will not impact the balance sheet?
Pradeep Gupta: Yes. So Mr. Bhattacharjee, you might have heard and I have covered in my address that this is
a typical fraudulent activity which has occurred in our depository side. You know, in our
company we are depository participant also and this activity had happened with two of our
customer who were dormant in nature, in that means their DP holdings are there with us since
long, but there was no major activity happening in DP buying or DP transfers, as well as they
were not active at all with us in our trading platform.
So what had happened, some fraudster has taken a clue and started embezzled and transferred
these securities in their account and -- I mean this was not being, realized by the investor, until
almost in a year's time. It was after pointing out after internal assessment we found and we then
we spoke to the investor and we talked to them then we came to know that some activity had
happened with these two customers.
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We went into a detail, checked all our processes, we found all the -- maximum processes are
being followed and there are certain amount of activity for which we appointed, you know,
outside agency including EY to do forensic audit as well as to run through a complete check of
our processes and systems. That thing is still happening and whatever report or overall
suggestions going to come, we are destined to implement that to strengthen our processes.
At the same time internally we have look at our processes and wherever fine-tuning in the
process is to be done, we have already done that. In terms of reporting this case to various
authorities we have done that, including police with EOW. The investigation is still on and
money trail whatever money trail so far, police, has been able to recover and seen, they have
frozen those assets in those account.
As you know this is a process where probably they have to complete the investigation and then
only will come to know how much amount can be recovered over there. At the same time we
have also lodged our complaint with the with the insurance companies and giving them all the,
you know, data and record and supporting so that they can take and evaluate this the whole
matter and then settle the claim.
So we are expecting that the claim settlement and by way of recovering from the, you know,
freeze assets, which are being frozen by the police authority, we will be able to recover sizeable
amount out of the money which has been, you know, spent by the company and shown over here
as an one-time, expense.
I personally feel that it's a matter of time and since we have to replenish these securities as a
great goodwill gesture as well as, you know, to our customer we have, you know, provided all
the securities which is being lost by those customers into their account and while procuring those
securities from the market whatever cost which we have to incur has been debited to the P&L.
There was no other way we can probably show and reflect into our P&L and that's where that's
the way we have shown it and disclosed all the facts about this case into our Quarter 1 ‘27
financials.
Arka Bhattacharjee: Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot for the detailed answer. And regarding the subsidiary part that you
are making the expansion, this move that you are state has been taken, just wanted to understand
given your wealth manager DNA, what is the target asset -- target AUM that you are planning
to grow in this next 12 to 18 months in Dubai?
Pradeep Gupta: So typically this as you know we are also addressing and servicing lots of NRI customer base
from India and our, you know, RM teams are supporting and assisting and guiding and those
NRI also are active on our online app. We found that lots of NRI from UAE regions are
constantly working with us and seeing and requesting us to give them a little bit more active
support to address the need.
And we see the potential is there in that UAE region. To looking at that, we have to create a
structure where probably we can assist, guide and market and show them the investment products
into that region to those NRI who are willing to invest in India. To do that we have to follow
certain compliance and for that we have to create a subsidiary and that's the reason, we have
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passed a resolution to create an subsidiary unit in Dubai and get necessarily necessary light --
necessary licenses so that we can address the need of those customers without any regulatory
hurdles.
Arka Bhattacharjee: Okay. And the last question that I have on the future revenue guidance. In the last con call,
Chairman has guided for the long-term overall revenue growth should be between 15% to 20%
year-on-year. So in the Quarter FY27, the revenue from this operation already grew by 22% I
think, which is at the upper end of the long-term guidance. So this early achievement of your
50-50 diversification goal that you have, do you see any headroom to revise this annual growth
guidance for the full year of FY27?
Pradeep Gupta: So our typical endeavour is going to be that we are going constantly going to grow between, you
know, 20% to 25%. 15% to 25% is a range which we have set for ourselves and obviously we
will keep on doing it and addressing this issue. As you know, till the time our dependence on
broking in a larger way, till the time we are not going to achieve the 50-50% kind of a module
in broking and non-broking, we will constantly see that our revenue growth should be minimum
around 15% to 20% and our bottom line which is PAT should grow by somewhere around 30%
to 35%.
And we will stick to our -- that guidelines and we will keep on improvising over there. Yes, we
have been able to achieve 22% kind of a growth in revenue terms as of now from our, you know,
year-on-year basis target and we will keep on working towards it over a period of time.
Arka Bhattacharjee: Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you everyone for everything. That's all of my questions.
Pradeep Gupta: Yes. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Priyam from Trinetra Asset
Managers. Please go ahead.
Priyam: Hi. Thank you for the opportunity. So I just wanted to understand the, you know, a lot of full-
service brokers have announced their plan to set up a structure in GIFT City and or, you know,
set up international investing. I think that is going to be a deep flavour of growth in in the coming
years. I just wanted to understand your thought process on it and whether we are going to do
something about it?
Pradeep Gupta: So typically, you are absolutely right, many of, you know, full-service brokerage houses and
even I would say online broking houses are trying and venturing the international, offering and
providing those international offering to the domestic customer base. If you really look at it, we
do have our, you know, one subsidiary unit which is listed in GIFT City and already active and
participating for this kind of an activity. And right now, we are completely focusing to address
the need of NRI customer base for invest for their investment within the country.
But over a period of time, you know, we do have capability, capacity to expand that, base for
international businesses. Right now, I do not see that there is an much of a value addition which
can be provided because our philosophy is pretty clear that any product or any investment,
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product which we are submitting to a customer until unless we do not understand that product
really well and until unless we do not see a value addition being provided to our customer, we
normally do not go and take an hasty decision to incorporated that, incorporate that product
basket with us.
And another little bit, problem for domestic customers is that all these investments are subject
to your LRS limitation where probably you have to take permission and under that LRS scheme
you can probably go and invest only to a certain amount of dollar which is $250,000 per account
per year. So those are the kind of a limitations again can crop up and to address those issues one
has to be very, vigilant and we will probably once we will get some answer, we can look at it.
But right now, we are not really providing any kind of a such, platform or such, activity at our
end.
Though we are also our distribution team, distribution product team has started evaluating few
of our distribution product which is mutual fund or other product which are dollar denominated.
We are researching them, we are studying them and once we get certain amount of clarity , we
believe that we have got a created certain amount of view on that, those kind of a product, to our
NRI customer base can be a possibility which can be given to them, which can be shown to them
and we will probably provide to them.
Priyam: Sure. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Shweta Sharma from Arihant Capital.
Please go ahead.
Shweta Sharma: Hello, am I audible?
Pradeep Gupta: Yes, ma'am. You are quite audible, Shweta. Thank you.
Shweta Sharma: Thank you so much, sir, for opportunity. Sir, we see a Q-o-Q dip in non-broking segment this
quarter. So, can you throw some light on it and how do you plan to avoid such de-growth in
coming quarter?
Pradeep Gupta: Shweta, if you really see Q-on-Q basis distribution if you compare in broking industry and when
you are looking at distribution, in distribution JFM period is largely also driven by insurance
businesses. Most of the insurance businesses happen in January, February, March.
And because of that, while marketing and selling these insurance policies, you have got a big
amount of revenue coming from insurance businesses also. And that's the reason you will find
your JFM quarter is going to be always higher and April, May, June the selling of those insurance
policies comes down and that makes an impact in Q-on-Q basis.
Otherwise, if you really look at our AUM in mutual fund has grown, in AUM in any other
product has grown and Q-on-Q basis, so revenue from those products apart from insurance
revenues are literally growing on an steady basis. That's what, making an impact on distribution
business.
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Roop Bhootra: Just to add to it whatever Pradeepji mentioned. Rightly in terms of distribution side AUM has
grown and that AUM has grown not only just because of the market changes or market-related
impact. We were able to collect in fact in last quarter the highest net collection basis in terms of
AUM. So, we were able to add that particular part.
And in terms of I can say the revenue side, since as I mentioned earlier that in March month
market was down almost by 14% to 15% for which the impact was continued in terms of this
particular, I think the last quarter at the initial period in terms of trail revenue also. Because
whenever as you know well that in case of when market is falling in this kind of scenario,
immediately it is getting -- I can say the trail revenue is reducing. But the overall basis we were
able to increase all those businesses other than the insurance business.
Shweta Sharma: Okay, okay. Thank you so much, sir. my second question is, the debt-equity ratio appears
elevated this quarter. So, could you explain the reason behind such increase and going forward
should we expect any further increase in leverage?
Roop Bhootra: Our idea is surely there to increase the debt-equity ratio. In fact, debt-equity ratio earlier it came
down because naturally with the infusion of the money through IPO, immediately the capital
infusion took place, but the borrowings will take place later on the place. Our idea is surely to
improve this debt-equity ratio. We are very much comfortable.
And in the industry, on overall basis people are there at around 1.5 to 2 kind of debt-equity ratio,
which is a very comfortable ratio. Currently we are there just at 0.8 times and we are constantly
going for the borrowing to improve our both on the MTF book side as well as the overall total I
can say on the book size. So, we will continuously work towards that in terms of borrowing.
And for that particular thing our as I mentioned our rating has also improved which is going to
help us in terms of having that particular borrowing part.
Pradeep Gupta: Just to add what Mr. Roop said, Shweta, in our businesses we are borrowing money only to
expand our businesses to take care of our working capital requirement as well as put that money
for margin trading facility. So whatever borrowing is happening, whatever debt-equity is
happening, in fact that is yielding results by way of interest income in MTF as well as the broking
income and that's where you are trying to multiply and you are trying to gain over there. So that's
how this whole borrowing is going to be utilized.
So, it's a positive thing, in the sense that we are not crossing the boundaries and we are not over-
leveraging that. I believe in this scenario, uh, in this industry, two-time kind of a debt-equity is
reasonable. And we were there,. when we raised the fund, we were there somewhere around 1.2
-- around 2 times of a debt-equity and at that point of time we have infused the capital.
Shweta Sharma: Okay. Thank you so much, sir. That's all from my side. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Deep Himani from Choice Equities.
Please go ahead.
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Deep Himani: Sure. Thank you so much for the opportunity. So, I have one question. Sir, can you please share
the blended yield that is being currently earned on the MTF book and like what would be the
average cost of funds during the quarter?
Roop Bhootra: Our yield in terms of MTF book is around 14% kind of level and naturally on that particular
additional income in terms of brokerage is generated towards the cash market delivery side, that
is separate.
Deep Himani: Okay. And sir, the last question, like how should investors think about -- hello, am I audible?
Pradeep Gupta: Yes, Yes, you're audible. Please go ahead.
Deep Himani: How should investors think like what would be the sustainability of spreads going forward?
Pradeep Gupta: So this is a this is a impact of market conditions, how much liquid the market is. For example,
borrowing happening in the market right now because of liquidity concerns, tightness of
liquidity, the borrowing is going to be at a little higher rate. But at the same time the same impact
can be passed on to the investor, because if anybody would like to raise funds in MTF book, you
can raise that.
So it's a completely individualistic approach, I personally feel. And there are enough margins
available and you can probably play this book really well if you have that kind of a skills
available with you and the kind of a customer base to whom you are literally addressing.
Deep Himani: Okay, sir. Thank you. That's it from my side.
Pradeep Gupta: Thank you, Himani.
Moderator: Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, that will be the last question for today. I now hand
the conference over to Mr. Pradeep Gupta for the closing comment. Thank you and over to you,
sir.
Pradeep Gupta: So thank you investors. Thanks a lot for all your guidance, support and the kind of a question
you are asking. We at Anand Rathi Share and Stock Broking Limited are always committed for
the well-being and goodness and constant growth of all our stakeholder and we remain
committed for that. Thank you. Thanks a lot, and a good day.
Moderator: Thank you members of the management. On behalf of EY, we conclude this conference. Thank
you everyone for joining with us today and you may now disconnect your lines.
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