CRAMC · Q1 FY27 · earnings call
CRAMC
CRAMC reported strong financial performance in Q1 FY27, with revenue up 20% YoY driven by yield improvements and cost efficiencies. The company maintained a focus on equity investments and digital transformation while addressing challenges like market volatility and compliance costs.




Key financials
| Revenue from operations | ₹116 crore | vs INR97 crores Q1 FY26, 20% YoY growth |
| Total income | ₹146 crore | vs INR121.30 crores Q1 FY26, 20% YoY growth |
| Profit after tax | ₹75 crore | 24% YoY growth |
Segment commentary
Equity funds
Constituted 91% of AUM, with focus on active equity strategies and plans to launch new products in passive categories.
Debt funds
Made up 9% of AUM, contributing to overall yield improvements through cost management.
Guidance & outlook
- Focus on product innovation, digital transformation, and maintaining investor trust while balancing profitability.
- Plans to launch two NFOs in FY27, with consideration for passive funds and SIF category in the medium term.
Notable quotes
“We are an equity-focused fund house, and that continues to be our strategy going forward.”— Rajnish Narula
“Our cost-to-income ratio is well within the range of 38-42%.”— Ashwin Purohit
Key takeaways
- Strong financial performance driven by yield management and cost control.
- Focus on equity investments with plans for product diversification into passives.
- Challenges include market volatility and compliance costs, but management remains optimistic about long-term growth.
Risks flagged
- Market volatility impacting investor sentiment.
- Compliance costs increasing operational expenses.
Educational analysis only. Not investment advice. Consult a
SEBI-registered advisor before investing. Source: https://nsearchives.nseindia.com/corporate/CRAMC_24072026181515_InvestorMeetTranscriptsigned.pdf
Full transcript (7,112 words)
July 24, 2026
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“Canara Robeco Asset Management Company Limited
Q1 FY27 Earnings Conference Call”
July 22, 2026
MANAGEMENT: MR. RAJNISH NARULA – MANAGING DIRECTOR AND
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER – CANARA ROBECO
ASSET MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIMITED
MR. ASHWIN PUROHIT – CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER –
CANARA ROBECO ASSET MANAGEMENT COMPANY
LIMITED
MR. GAURAV GOYAL – CHIEF BUSINESS OFFICER –
CANARA ROBECO ASSET MANAGEMENT COMPANY
LIMITED
MR. ATIT TURAKHIYA – HEAD OF CORPORATE
DEVELOPMENT AND MIS – CANARA ROBECO ASSET
MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIMITED
MODERATOR: MS. SAVLI MANGLE – ADFACTORS PR
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Moderator: Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Q1 FY27 Earnings Conference Call of
Canara Robeco Asset Management Company Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will
be in the listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the
presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an
operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is
being recorded.
I will now hand the conference over to Ms. Savli Mangle from Adfactors PR. Thank you and
over to you.
Savli Mangle: Thank you, Ryan. Good morning, everyone and a very warm welcome to our Q1 FY27 earnings
conference call. To guide us through the results today, we have the senior management team of
Canara Robeco Asset Management Company Limited, headed by Mr. Rajnish Narula, Managing
Director and CEO; Mr. Ashwin Purohit, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Gaurav Goyal, Chief
Business Officer; and Mr. Atit Turakhiya, Head, Corporate Development and MIS.
Before we begin, I would like to state that some of the statements made in today's discussion
may be forward-looking in nature. The actual results may vary as they are dependent on several
external factors. With that stated, I would now like to hand it over to Mr. Rajnish Narula for his
opening remarks. Thank you and over to you, Sir.
Rajnish Narula: Thank you, Savli. Good morning to everyone who's on the call. Thank you for joining this call
today. We trust you reviewed our results and presentation. I will begin with a brief perspective
on the broader industry environment, followed by key trends in the Indian mutual fund
landscape, and then cover our performance for the quarter. On the industry and market
environment, Q1 FY27 witnessed continued global and domestic market volatility due to
geopolitical developments and macroeconomic uncertainties.
Despite the volatility, benchmark indices recovered during the quarter. Nifty gained
approximately 7% and closed at 23,865 as on 30th June, 2026. Broader markets also recovered,
supported by improving investor sentiment. On the mutual fund industry overview, the closing
industry AUM reached approximately INR82.2 lakh crores, growing at 10.5% year-on-year.
Structural drivers for the industry remain strong, which are growing retail participation, wider
geographical penetration, diversification across asset classes, expanding investor base. On the
company operational highlights, I'd like to point out our closing AUM stood at approximately
INR1.2 lakh crores. Quarterly average AUM increased by 7% year-on-year. Our asset mix stood
approximately at 91% equity and 9% debt.
Individual investors contributed 86% of our AUM, while institutional investors accounted for
14%. Approximately 24% of our AUM is from B30 locations. Distribution network expanded
to over 56,890 empaneled partners. We continue to make investments in digital platforms,
enhanced investor experience, operational efficiency, and investments in the investment team
and research capability. I'd like to invite Mr. Ashwin Purohit to discuss the financial performance
in detail. Over to you, Ashwin.
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Ashwin Purohit: Very good morning to everyone. It gives me pleasure to present you the financial highlights.
Revenue from our operations stood at INR116.20 crores versus INR97 crores in Q1, which is
20% year-on-year growth. The total income stood at INR145.80 crores compared with the
INR121.30 crores in Q1 FY26, which is again 20% on year-on-year growth. Profit after tax
stood at INR75 crores, registering 24% year-on-year growth. With this, I will open the floor for
the questions. Thanking you.
Moderator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. We take
the first question from the line of Sucrit D. Patil from Eyesight Fintrade Private Limited. Please
go ahead.
Sucrit D. Patil: Good morning to the team. I have two questions. The first question to Mr. Narula is, just a
forward-looking guidance on how do you intend to position the company for long-term
sustainable growth in FY27, balancing product innovation, digital transformations and investor
trust while ensuring differentiation in an increasingly competitive asset management landscape?
Just want to understand your plan of action on this. That's my first question. I'll ask my second
question after this. Thank you.
Rajnish Narula: Well, thank you very much. Well, we are an equity-focused fund house, as you're aware. That
continues to be the strategy going forward. We do believe that equities market will outperform
other asset classes going forward over the long-term. So, I think we are very well positioned to
actually capitalize on the growth story in India, given the construct that we have in our asset
mix.
So, we will continue to also invest in digital platforms, engage more with distributor partners to
make sure that our growth story continues. We will also focus on product launches and also
diversify from the mutual fund into other spaces which are available for us.
Sucrit D. Patil: My second question to Mr. Purohit is, given the rising compliance costs and market volatility
and investments in technologies, what are the key financial levers you prioritize to maintain
profitability and sustain stability across equity, debt and hybrid segments in FY27? Thank you.
Rajnish Narula: Well, let me answer that question. It's a broader question in terms of how do we manage costs
and profitability going forward. Our cost-to-income ratio for us -- we like it to be below 40.
That's where we like it to be. We are well within that range. So between 38 to 42 is the range we
like to play in.
So, we always keep an eye on the cost-to-income ratio. Costs are a certainty, revenues sometimes
when markets are volatile may not be and we are very cognizant of it. But you're absolutely
right, there is rising costs of compliance within the regulatory framework, but that's good for the
investors and to make the ecosystem far more stable. But we are very well positioned, as you
can see from our results as well. Our Q1 results have been pretty good in terms of profitability.
Sucrit D. Patil: Thank you and best wishes.
Rajnish Narula: Thank you.
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Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Nihal Shah from Prudent Corporate
Advisory. Please go ahead.
Nihal Shah: Thank you for the opportunity and congratulations for the results. So, last time you were saying
that you are investigating the reasons why the yields have gone up on a quarter-on-quarter basis
and this quarter as well we've sustained the yields, I guess 3 basis points it has increased as well.
So, what are the reasons why the yields have gone up?
Rajnish Narula: Okay, I'm going to give this to Atit to respond and I will also add.
Atit Turakhiya: So yes, as you can see our yields have gone up. There were multiple factors to the change in the
yields. The way the industry is structured is that the yields are based on the TER slab structure,
which is related to the AUM of the company. So, there may be reasons while the market had
taken a downturn which resulted in higher TERs, which also contributed to the yields going up.
Apart from that, obviously, there are other factors also that have helped us with costs also, which
we have managed to control in terms of the overall costs that have been part of the TER. So that
all these factors cumulatively have enabled us to increase the yields.
Rajnish Narula: If I can just add to Atit, we have a perspective on yield. We like our yields to be in the range of
35 to 38. That's why we would like -- we're comfortable with that range. It allows us room to go
in for some asset classes or some types of product structures which may be lower yielding but
will add to your AUM and growth, and it doesn't add to our cost base in terms of the investment
team or the operations team or the sales team we need for it.
So, there is a huge leverage there. So, for example, going into passives will certainly bring the
yield down over time. But because of the fact that there is -- it goes -- the revenue from there
will straight go to your bottom line because there's no added costs to it. Yield for us in our
business is certainly an important factor but not the only factor we look at while building our
business.
Nihal Shah: Okay, so can we expect some new products in the passive categories what you are hinting from
here?
Rajnish Narula: Well, it's certainly a part of our short-to-medium-term strategy. Currently, we are focused on
coming up with a new product which will be launched on the mutual fund space in the next two
to three months and then in the short-to-medium term passives is certainly an option.
Nihal Shah: And how many NFOs are planned for this financial year if you can throw some light on it?
Rajnish Narula: We generally target about two in the financial year, but they're subject to of course board and
SEBI approval.
Nihal Shah: Okay, thank you. Thank you very much.
Rajnish Narula: Thank you.
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Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Prateek from Monarch PMS. Please go
ahead.
Prateek: Hello. So, could you help us to understand that out of this 20% revenue growth, how much
contribution is from the yield improvement and how much is from mark-to-market gains and net
inflows?
Ashwin Purohit: So over here, the operational revenue we have said INR116 crores from INR97 crores. So that
INR29 crores is the mark-to-market and rest is -- that is over and above INR116 crores actually.
So, INR145 crores includes INR29.64 crores as the mark-to-market.
Prateek: Okay.
Rajnish Narula: So, the operational profit in percentage terms is 20%, which is without the mark-to-market
included in it.
Prateek: Okay, so if you could give us some color on the net inflows and how do you expect it to be in
let's say short-to-medium term?
Atit Turakhiya: Unfortunately, Prateek, we do not share the information with respect to the net inflows, so mark-
to-market is in line with what the market would have gone up.
Prateek: Okay, thank you so much.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Siddhant Mayecha from Tusk
Investments. Please go ahead.
Siddhant Mayecha: Hi Rajnish, hi Ashwin. Thanks for the overview. Could you help us with some color on the
treasury book, which is the investment book of INR735 crores? How much of this would be
equity and what percentage would be debt approximately?
Ashwin Purohit: The total value of my investment is INR110.25 crores, which is skin in the game and rest is on
the debt, means overnight fund and the income fund which is we have invested. This skin in the
game is only investment which SEBI suggests for and the mark-to-market on that is INR65
crores, which is INR176 crores is the total value of skin in the game. There'll be 10% value of
the debt also because we have a skin in the game 10%. So, the balance is debt.
Siddhant Mayecha: The balance is debt. Okay, got it. Because there's been INR30 crores mark-to-market gain, right?
And if I look at it, Nifty's grown only about 7%, so we are just wondering how is the debt book
driving this INR30 crores mark-to-market gain?
Ashwin Purohit: INR30 crores includes my 8.5% debt realized gain and rest is the mark-to-market.
Siddhant Mayecha: Okay. And just one last question, how do I read or kind of what are the levers that are leading to
the 20% operating revenue growth because quarterly AUM growth has only grown by 7%, but
operating revenue has grown by 20%? So obviously one is the yield expansion, which has been
about 5% I think. Where is the rest coming from?
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Rajnish Narula: Well, the rest at the moment, as you can see, is improvement in yields. That's one of the factors
and cost efficiencies.
Siddhant Mayecha: Sorry, the second part was, could you repeat that? One is yields and second one is?
Rajnish Narula: Cost efficiencies.
Siddhant Mayecha: Cost. But even on the rev side, right? Because rev has grown by 20%. So, I'm not looking at
cost.
Rajnish Narula: Yes, but I'm just giving the total profitability picture.
Siddhant Mayecha: Got it. And is the -- one last question from my side, is the MTM on the debt book on your
investments, is the MTM only realized in Q1 every year or is it every quarter?
Ashwin Purohit: Every quarter, sir. End of every quarter we book the profits on the debt portion.
Siddhant Mayecha: Okay. And so safe to assume that out of INR700 crores treasury book about INR600 crores is
debt?
Ashwin Purohit: Yes, sir.
Siddhant Mayecha: Okay, thank you. Thank you so much.
Rajnish Narula: You're welcome.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Sonal from Prescient Capital. Please go
ahead.
Sonal Minhas: Hi, this is Sonal Minhas sir. Am I audible?
Rajnish Narula: Yes, we can hear you.
Sonal Minhas: Sure. Sir, I was just trying to back calculate the net inflows from the data that has been reported.
If I look at your closing quarterly AUM for equities in particular and that has grown quarter-on-
quarter by around 13 odd percent. And if I just consider BSE500, that has grown by around 12,
13 odd percent thereabouts. And you have schemes running from large cap, mid cap to small
cap. So, is it safe to assume that the delta between the two is basically the net inflows that your
company has seen?
Rajnish Narula: I'm going to let Gaurav, who heads CBO, take this question.
Gaurav Goyal: Thanks for asking that question. So of course, as you are aware, I think it will be -- we have
products across the various categories and fairly only comparing it with BSE 500 will be not
judicious.
Sonal Minhas: The actual would be higher. That’s what the number would be.
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Gaurav Goyal: On the equity side, as you rightly pointed out that we have witnessed about 13%, 14% of
quarterly growth on the AUM but it is spread across the products and of course different products
have different growth metrics which we have achieved.
Sonal Minhas: Got it. Okay. The second part, sir, I wanted to understand given that, which is a more zoomed
out question, that there are more mutual funds coming from PMS side, coming from some new
fund managers as well. Your large and mid-cap scheme, your flexi-cap scheme and small-cap
schemes have been doing fairly well in the past.
But if I just foresign this based on quartiles basically, and one year is too short a term period,
but the quartiles if I see the numbers, how would you say is your performance vis-a-vis similar
schemes? Because that directly determines the net inflows for the scheme. So, have we seen you
holding to your quartiles? Have we seen you going down in quartiles? Anything in that regard,
just want to understand here.
Rajnish Narula: I'll just make a more broad comment. We see all funds go through cycles. So, you will find funds
that will be in quartile one at some point in time and may slip a quartile or two thereafter. But
the important thing is what's the quality of the underlying portfolio? As you know that we invest
in quality stocks and if you can even point out one investment in a portfolio that's not good, we'll
be happy to look at it.
But we -- the investment team firmly believes in the portfolio construct and their conviction in
terms of the stocks invested and they're happy to ride it out volatility. There are times that certain
sectors may not be in favour at that point in time, but if they have a more medium-to-long-term
view on it, they will stay invested.
So that's the broader strategy. But yes, there's a -- this is one of the most transparent jobs there
is in the industry where someone's NAV or performance is out there on a daily basis for everyone
to see and every fund manager tries to make sure that they are in Q1.
Sonal Minhas: Got it, sir. I must say that your portfolio build-up is really good. So that's a side comment from
my side. Thank you. I'll fall back in the queue. Thank you.
Rajnish Narula: Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Khushi Jain from Negen Capital. Please
go ahead.
Khushi Jain: Hi, good morning. Thanks for the opportunity. I just had two major questions. One was around
the SIP flows in the Q1 FY27. So, I think we've just added quite a few distributors but the SIP
account we've lost by the time of June end. So, what are your thoughts or any guidance for FY27-
'28 regarding the SIP accounts?
Rajnish Narula: I'm going to get Gaurav, our CBO, to answer this for you.
Gaurav Goyal: Yes. So, I think SIP as we all are aware, I think the first quarter of this year, we have seen in the
industry also that due to the market volatility, we have seen in terms of the higher
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discontinuation. I think a bit in the last month it is showing some improvement in terms of that
number.
As far as SIP is concerned, I think clearly we have stated it earlier, it is part of our core strategy
and we continue to make our all efforts to ensure that okay, we continue to strengthen that entire
overall piece because SIP overall is a structural story as far as India is concerned and we will
continue to -- we are continuing to work with multiple channel partners strengthening that entire
SIP franchise for us.
Rajnish Narula: Just to add to what Gaurav said, if you look at the total value of the SIP, it's actually grown and
it's now about INR41,000 crores in terms of AUM. The SIP AUM has actually grown in value
and it's now INR41,000 crores in terms of contribution to our AUM.
Khushi Jain: Understood. And my next question will be around like what percentage of our schemes that we
managed has beaten the benchmark over the last 12 months and the last 36 months?
Rajnish Narula: That data is actually available for you on our website. So please, I would encourage you to look
at that. I don't have that number offhand with me, so I don't want to take a random guess on it.
Khushi Jain: Okay. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Raghvesh from JM Financial. Please go
ahead.
Raghvesh: Hi sir, congratulations on a strong set of results. Had a couple of questions. First on the yield
side. So, while we were expecting some moderation for the larger AMCs, they have reported no
impact of the new expense ratio norms. I think it's similar for you guys as well given that the
revenue yields have held up. But given that the larger AMCs have been able to cut back but my
base case would have been a yield expansion for Canara Robeco. So, any color on that?
Have we maintained our distributor commissions while the larger ones have cut and does that
translate into higher flows going forward? So that's my question on the revenue side.
On expenses side, I had a couple of questions. First on the ESOP expenses. I mean, I think even
in this quarter the ESOP program has not been launched. Would you like to give some kind of
guidance on when it will be launched and what will be the P&L impact?
Secondly, on the -- I think some decrease in cost Q-o-Q, is it totally attributable to the NFO
expenses we had in the last quarter and does this return in the next quarter given you're,
launching another NFO in the next two to three months? So these were my questions, please.
Rajnish Narula: Okay, I think there are three parts to your question. So, I'm going to get Gaurav to answer a
couple of them. But on the ESOP one, there's already an ESOP program that is on, which was
there at the time of the IPO. And as and when we plan the second round of ESOPs, we will let
you know. But I'm going to get Gaurav to respond to your question on yields and distribution
commissions.
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Gaurav Goyal: Yes. So, I think as Rajnish in his comment has already made in terms of our overall strategy on
the yield has been -- we have an indicative range which we are comfortable with and that
continues -- we continue to achieve that.
However, specific to in terms of certain questions which are regarding this quarter and on the
distribution commissions, clearly, I think these are our partners and in earlier calls also Rajnish
has stated that we continue to work in a way so that it's a win-win partnership with our
distributors and these are all long-term relationships. And therefore, with that lens and approach,
we have been kind of investing in our partnerships.
In the entire marketplace, all the distributors, all the partners are also aware the kind of
microscopic structure which has been there in terms of the expense ratios and with the recent
changes which happened in terms of moving from TER to BER. We have been able to, of course,
work out partnerships and in a way so that it remains beneficial for both the partners.
And in combination of that, which is both in terms of working on our expenses and working
with the partnerships to continue with our sharing with them, it has filtered in terms of margin
improvement basis.
Raghvesh: Got it. And on the cost with NFOs? So, is it right to attribute the additional cost total to NFOs
in the last quarter and does it come back in 2Q?
Atit Turakhiya: Yes, sir, actually last -- I think it's a fair assumption to make that a lot of the cost last quarter
was with respect to the NFO that had come in.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Lalit Mohan Deo from Equirus Securities.
Please go ahead.
Lalit Mohan Deo: Yes, hi sir, good morning. So just two questions. One, could you spell out the segment-wise
yields like; equity, debt and liquid funds? And so just on the second side, while we have
mentioned that we are looking -- we might be looking to launch two NFOs in a year -- in a
financial year, just wanted to understand do we also have any plans to launch any fund in the
newer space which is the SIF category because a lot of the AMCs are now looking to launch
funds within that space?
Rajnish Narula: Okay, so I'm going to get Atit to respond to your yield question, your segment-wise yield, and
I'll take the next one.
Atit Turakhiya: Yes, so for the quarter, the first quarter segment-wise yield was as follows. Equity yields were
in the range of 39 bps to 40 bps. Fixed income yields were somewhere in the range of 27 bps to
28 bps. Liquid and overnight yields were 2 bps to 3 bps. On an overall basis, we were in the
range of 37 bps to 38 bps.
Rajnish Narula: And on the space of the product that you were referring to, which is SIF, it's certainly an
important product category. It's certainly on our radar, but for us, it's about focus and sequencing
it. So, from a sequence perspective, we would make sure that we are launching products on the
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mutual fund space followed in the short and medium term with passives and in the short and
medium term with SIFs as well.
Lalit Mohan Deo: Sure, sir. Thank you. Thanks.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Nilesh Doshi from Prospero Tree AMC.
Please go ahead.
Nilesh Doshi: Thanks for the opportunity. Am I audible, sir?
Rajnish Narula: Yes, sir, you are.
Nilesh Doshi: Thank you, sir. Sir, my question is regarding the quarterly average, AUM. Sir, our quarterly
average AUM on a quarter-on-quarter basis increased by only 1% in spite of our 91%
contribution from the equity and equity has performed better in quarter 1 ‘27 at least for the
small cap and mid cap compared to the quarter 4 ‘26.
So why there was a only 1% improvement in the quarterly average AUM because the AMC
charging the fees on the everyday, daily AUM and it is not improving. Is it the reason of the
underperformance of our schemes or very minimum inflow of the fresh funds, sir? Please
explain.
Rajnish Narula: I'm going to get Gaurav to respond to your query.
Gaurav Goyal: Yes, sure. Thanks for asking that question and I think let me just take this opportunity to put
some color to when you look at in terms of the industry growth and when you look at our growth.
So, if you look at the industry growth, I think largely the industry growth has been very
concentrated and as you rightly pointed out, few of the categories, some of these categories and
particularly when you look at the highest net flows on the hybrid space has been in arbitrage, on
the equity side has been in small cap and mid cap. So, it's pretty concentrated, growth which was
there.
Having said that, I think the way, our growth is positioned and the way I think we have
positioned our funds is, how do we get equitable growth? And some of these gaps as Rajnish
also pointed out that we are continuously building up that growth.
So last quarter growth is only in terms of from an industry perspective is and largely when you
see its few categories, while in our case what we have seen is that okay, we have other funds
also which have grown in our case.
Nilesh Doshi: Okay. So can we expect there will be some improvement in the quarterly average AUM in the
coming quarters compared to the -- because the only 1% growth will remain the stable -- stability
of our income, it will not provide the major growth in the coming quarter. Can we expect the
some major growth in the quarterly average AUM?
Rajnish Narula: Well, that's the endeavor of the company. We like to see growth. As you can see that we are
focused on two key parameters, which is growth in AUM and profitability. We look at both and
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try and balance it out going forward. So clearly both -- we have eyes on both of them. And yes,
the endeavor is to keep growing that segment for us.
Nilesh Doshi: Okay. And sir, my last question is regarding to SIP. One participant had asked the question about
the SIP, but my question is that, we are losing the number of accounts on the quarter-on-quarter,
if you compare the year-on-year basis or quarter-on-quarter, we are losing the number of active
SIP accounts and so the SIP contribution.
What the exactly -- what step -- because in the last con-call also you have mentioned that the
some drive has been initiated to reactivate the old accounts or the join the new SIP accounts. But
the result is not seen. Are we doing anything specific to reactivate the SIP accounts?
Rajnish Narula: Yes, I'm going to get Gaurav to respond to this.
Gaurav Goyal: Sure, I think as we have stated it earlier that SIP is one of the core strategies which we are
pursuing and in terms of our SIP initiatives in last call we alluded various initiatives which we
are taking. As I'm sure you will appreciate that these are like retail distributions and in terms of
the initiative which we are taking, they are -- while they are -- already we have put them into the
action, you will see in terms of the gradual results improving there on that side.
Rajnish Narula: Just to add to Gaurav, the initiatives we've put in to focus more on SIPs take time to actually
show results. So, we request your patience to see the results coming forward. But we're in the
right direction, so we are putting investments behind that strategy.
Nilesh Doshi: Thank you, thank you, sir. That's all from my side and all the best, sir.
Rajnish Narula: Thank you, sir.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Utkarsh Somaiya from Eiko Quantum
Solutions Private Limited. Please go ahead.
Utkarsh Somaiya: Thanks for the opportunity, and I think you've already answered this question, but just can you
help me understand the 20% year-on-year growth that you have seen? I believe the break-up of
that is around 7% has come from increase in quarterly average AUM, and the balance 12% has
come from the yield. So, can you help us understand how the yield has improved given the
environment?
Atit Turakhiya: It's like we answered, a lot of it is the multiple factors that have helped in building up the yield.
Like I mentioned, that TER slab structure also has played a role in that, plus we managed to
reduce some of our costs which are part of the TER also. So cumulatively all of this has helped
in building our yields up.
Utkarsh Somaiya: Okay. And two more questions if I may. One is, how should we look at your cost-to-income as
you scale? Can you help us understand how we could model that? And secondly, you've lost
some market share on a quarter-on-quarter and a year-on-year basis. So, do you see that turning
or changing going forward?
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Rajnish Narula: So, on the cost-to-income ratio, I'll take that question. On the market share, I'm going to get
Gaurav to speak -- to take that question. So, the cost-to-income ratio is something that we keep
an eye on. We've always maintained that we like to play around 36%, 37% to about 40%, 41%.
That's the range we'd like to be in. It gives us room to make investments.
There are lots of areas that would need investments going forward. AI is one of them, for
example. So clearly that's the range that we'd like to be in. I'm not giving one fixed number but
giving you a range. I'm going to get Gaurav to answer the second part of your question.
Gaurav Goyal: Yes, sure. So, I think when you look at in terms of the market, I'm sure you'll appreciate that
there are a lot of spaces where whether it is in terms of passives and ETFs, that's the combination
of the entire market if you look there. While we are more active focused, active equity focused
as an AMC at this point of time.
As far as our products are concerned, I think in the active equity space, we continuously as part
of our strategy continue to work with multiple channel partners and on multiple products. And
that's where I'm sure when you look at in terms of our AUM growth, you will find that, it is
much more equitable and distributable rather than very concentrated growth.
So, while concentrated growth is what we have seen in terms of largely in the market as I alluded
earlier when you look at in terms of the larger net flows which have happened in the market. For
us, as part of our strategy which is in terms of achieving growth which is much more equitable,
much more across the products, much more diversified.
So that is the strategy which we have adopted and that may result in some kind of monthly
numbers which are not in line as per the expectation, but I think we are more focused on pursuing
our long-term strategy to achieve our medium and long-term objectives.
Utkarsh Somaiya: All right, thank you. Good luck.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Mohit Mangal from Centrum. Please go
ahead.
Mohit Mangal: Yes, good evening and thanks for the opportunity. So, I have got two questions. First is I just
wanted to know what is your policy of commission structure? Is it different for banks and mutual
funds or is it uniform across distribution channels?
Rajnish Narula: So basically this, it is not information that should or be in public domain. It is unique and it is
an agreement one-on-one with each distribution partner. So, to me, that is not something that I
can comment on more specifically, but on general basis, Gaurav has already alluded to the fact
that we work with partners and we make sure that it is a win-win for both.
So, depending on their standing in the market, the assets that they have in the industry and versus
the kind of business opportunities we see for ourselves, there is a, an equitable arrangement that
we have with each distribution partner.
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Mohit Mangal: Understood. Secondly, basically I wanted to know how much has Fintech been important to you
because direct kind of is around 27% to 28% of the overall pie. So just wanted to know what is
the role of Fintech in this?
Gaurav Goyal: Of course, I think as part of our strategy we work with multiple channel partners and that is how
which is reflected in our AUM mix across the distributors and Fintech's are also one of our
integral important partnerships which we have and that is how when you look at in terms of our
direct share which is in line with the industry. So, we continue to work with all our partners
across the channels.
Mohit Mangal: Okay. I mean, if you guys just see how much is Fintech as a percentage of direct, that could be
helpful?
Gaurav Goyal: So, I think that is something which we do not disclose growth and it is not available in the public
domain but I think clearly from our AUM mix of across the partners and across the both the
regular and direct will give you some color in terms of how we are placed and which is in line
with the market.
Mohit Mangal: Understood. Thank you and wish you all the best.
Moderator: Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Rohan Nagpal from Helios Capital. Please
go ahead.
Rohan Nagpal: Hi, thanks for taking my question. So, if I just look through the scheme financials that you have
disclosed, there seems to be a certain seasonality in the management fee yields across the last
three years on financials that have been published and the gap is quite significant north of 10%.
So, could you sort of talk through the factors that are driving this seasonality in the yields?
Rajnish Narula: So just a more broader response. We are an equity-focused fund house. So, changes in our market
volatility either positive or negative would impact our total AUM as well, right? So to that extent,
you could argue that it could be seasonal, but I don't see it as seasonal because we look at long-
term trends, right?
While quarter-on-quarter is a way to look at it and take a pause, but we are building businesses
for long term. I mean, we want this company in a way to survive forever, so to speak. So for us,
it is more long term and therefore over the long term it evens out because our construct is 91%
equity, you will find a bit more variations that you referred to.
Rohan Nagpal: Just I am looking at this as a function of AUM. So I think first half, second half fiscal '24, the
yield was 32% and 37%, '25 it was 32% and 37% again, '26 it was 35% and 38%. So I am just
trying to understand why the yield itself, I mean, the AUM and the absolute management fee I
can I understand, but why would the yield move by that much between the first half and the
second half of the year?
Rajnish Narula: Yes, so I think it's also to do with the way you account for it. Yields, generally on a quarter-on-
quarter you estimate what the expenses are and in the last quarter is when you actually finalize
the expenses. So, you will find that variation coming in because at the end of the day on quarter-
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on-quarter it's on an estimate basis and in March because you're closing your books, it's the final
number.
Rohan Nagpal: Understood. Okay. That's helpful. And sir, in terms of the cost efficiencies which you talked
about driving an increase in management, in the yields that you're generating, could you just
provide some colour on exactly what these cost efficiencies are? I'm is it fair to assume that these
are costs that are borne at the scheme level that are sort of being brought under control and
therefore there's more that flows to the AMC?
Rajnish Narula: Yes, they're more related to the scheme levels. So, it's there on the rest of our book we continue
to invest in our business, whether it's people or infrastructure.
Rohan Nagpal: Understood. Okay. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question, please press star and one. We take the next
question from the line of Sonal from Prescient Capital. Please go ahead.
Sonal: Hi, this is Sonal again. I had a follow-up question regarding the equity yields. Given that we
move from TER to BER, there is this bump in the yields. Given that the AUMs have been range-
bound and the markets have been in range-bound as well, are we expected to hold on to these
yields or pass some bit of this to the distribution in the near term, maybe next one year, two
years just wanted to understand that?
Atit Turakhiya: Yes, so the, I mean, we hope the market will stabilize in the next quarter or two, so we'll see
how it pans out. But we do expect the yields to be in the region somewhere in the region of 36
bps to 40 bps in terms of the equity. So, in that region we expect it to be, but it obviously will
rationalize out over the period of the next quarter or two.
Sonal: Okay. Also wanted to understand, not that I'm asking numbers in absolute terms, but if you were
to fore sign ourselves onto how much money we leave on the table for distributors, would we be
like top of the stack or would we be bottom of the stack basically in terms of how distribution
basically deals with us, works with us. If you could just give a subjective comment? that'll help
us understand.
Rajnish Narula: So, I think it's, it would be fair to make a statement to say that the mutual fund industry per se is
a distribution-led business and therefore they need to be fairly and adequately rewarded for the
efforts that they put in. I think we'd like to be competitive in that space, but we would like our
funds to sell based on performance.
Sonal: Got it. All right. Thanks for answering my questions.
Moderator: Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question, please press star and one. As there are no
further questions from the participants, I now hand the conference over to Mr. Rajnish Narula
for closing comments. Please go ahead.
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Rajnish Narula: Well, I'd like to thank all of you for participating in today's conference calls. I'd like to thank
you for your support. I wish you all the very best for the remainder of the year. Good luck and
have a nice day. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you, sir. On behalf of Canara Robeco Asset Management Company Limited, that
concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your line.
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