3IINFOLTDNSEQ4 FY22May 16, 2022

3i Infotech Limited

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Key numbers — 40 extracted
INR 630 crore
going to achieve year on year. So the year gone by we set ourselves a goal saying we want to hit INR 630 crores and we will share the highlights of our results and we also had milestones in terms of what is t
INR 7,500 crore
s of what is that we will be able to achieve in various points of time in our journey to become a INR 7,500 crore organization. So as we move on to the next slide We said we will break this 10 year j
rs,
e next slide We said we will break this 10 year journey into shorter milestones. So the next 5 years, the year one, we very clearly said this is a year of change and differentiate because we are comin
90 billion
then we have to restart rebuild ourselves. So we probably call ourselves, you know, a kind of a $90 billion startup organization. So that's the mantra which we have been building. So change and differentia
INR 175.6 crore
e got our operating rhythm or operating profits. So if you look at Q4FY22, we kind of exited with INR 175.6 crores, which is almost 6% growth, quarter on quarter and an annual INR 677 crores, which is 11.2% grow
6%
ating profits. So if you look at Q4FY22, we kind of exited with INR 175.6 crores, which is almost 6% growth, quarter on quarter and an annual INR 677 crores, which is 11.2% growth on last year's exi
INR 677 crore
kind of exited with INR 175.6 crores, which is almost 6% growth, quarter on quarter and an annual INR 677 crores, which is 11.2% growth on last year's exit services revenue. I think this has been the first maj
11.2%
75.6 crores, which is almost 6% growth, quarter on quarter and an annual INR 677 crores, which is 11.2% growth on last year's exit services revenue. I think this has been the first major growth of 3i i
INR 3.5 crore
is momentum will help us to go forward. On the EBITDA level if you look at our Q4 we have been at INR 3.5 crores profit, though at consolidated PAT level, we have been minus INR 3.9 crores, but the good point
INR 3.9 crore
ur Q4 we have been at INR 3.5 crores profit, though at consolidated PAT level, we have been minus INR 3.9 crores, but the good point is at an operating level, we have now hit profitability. That's the message
INR 73.4 crore
ne. So that's the positive, which I want to call out. If you look at the net cash, we exited with INR 73.4 crores. We spoke about the revenue growth, which has been pretty good for all of us and if you look at
INR 28.9 crore
argin growth as we have really grown almost like around 11.2% which is also an addition of almost INR 28.9 crores on the gross margin level. So as we optimize our cost as we drive improvements, my other colle
Guidance — 20 items
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So quickly, just to refresh ourselves when we started the year, we wanted to kind of set a goal for ourselves and we said that we will be a billion dollar company and we said we will be at AIM30 So this is very important for us, as an organization, to galvanize and to seamlessly see how the entire organization will move single mindedly towards the goal of being a billion dollar company.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
Just to remind all of us, we said we are a trusted global, one stop digital transformation partner who will deliver business excellence and exceptional outcomes to our customers in this new digital decade.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So the year gone by we set ourselves a goal saying we want to hit INR 630 crores and we will share the highlights of our results and we also had milestones in terms of what is that we will be able to achieve in various points of time in our journey to become a INR 7,500 crore organization.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
We want to be an organization who’s not risk averse, we are ready to explore, we are ready to experiment, we are ready to fail fast as a challenge and that is going to be the core DNA of the company going forward.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So in terms of SASE in terms of its security in terms of edge analytics, edge application being in 5G, this is a huge step forward for the company and we will co-create IPs which you want to take in the market along with next year.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So building our existing customers, found them is very important and how we want to maximize our revenues, our new logos is also really important strategy and this year, again, we are taking a target of almost INR 100 crores on a book across our growing well, I will talk more about it in the way forwards slides.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
Our GA cost is getting optimized, we will optimize it further this year, because a lot of optimization and I will allow Harish and Sanjay to talk more about it because we want to optimize that further, because that is the only way we will be able to hit the outlook, which we are promising all of you.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So broadly, to summarize, if we look at it, EBITDA margin will be a key focus across all regions, it is a relative statement, they all have improved and you know, we're looking at GBR going up on both like 15% and India going up to almost like 8% and that's what we have to kind of target and the EBR going up to almost 10% on business EBITDA levels.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So this year, clearly our focus area will be on telecommunication.
Thompson Gnanam
opening
So next year, when we talk about it, we will see telecom revenue mix changing dramatically.
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The second year and now as we embark in this new year, very clearly, we want to disrupt and challenge a very clear year of disruption and challenge because that is the only way that I will thrive.
Thompson Gnanam
We want to be an organization who’s not risk averse, we are ready to explore, we are ready to experiment, we are ready to fail fast as a challenge and that is going to be the core DNA of the company going forward.
Thompson Gnanam
NuRe is a new brand, which 3i is pushing across, and this year, we will see very, very clear change in terms of new lines of services, the new revenues being added across plus 3i, Edge Desk, and all the new lines of services to talk about it and secondly, we want to kind of come up with more commercial models, which will challenge the competition, so we all kind of do that.
Thompson Gnanam
So if you look at the attrition rate, it is an industry phenomena I do not think, obviously, we are also having a challenge.
Thompson Gnanam
Could you just elaborate a bit more on what more sort of equity dilution are we looking at through the ESOP program because that has been a concern for shareholders for a while.
Siddharth Gupta
I think the main point Siddharth also is for us, we have spoken about it is very important, we have to do this balancing act on ability to attract talent, because for us, the single biggest problem is in order to attract talent so unless we have some of these instruments, whether it is for ESOP for grow and ESOP for build it will be very difficult for us to attract the mixed in class crowd.
Thompson Gnanam
Q&A — 10 exchanges
Q
We had earlier talked about the result of this quarter in the last meeting also, many congratulations for coming to the very near profitable target. Before I start, I just want to highlight one thing, the EBITDA that you are giving for FY23, it is just 2% of the total revenue that is INR 760 crore, with that EBITDA, and we see on a projected basis, we see it is unable to come to the profitable bottom line. There is something wrong with the EBITDA. So I want clarification on the EBITDA for FY23 and what would be the EBITDA margin going forward by when would we see the normalized EBITDA of indus
Thompson Gnanam
Okay, you have got four questions here. One is on the outlook. I will try and answer one by one. The first one on the outlook is just to set a context, I think this is the first time 3i is giving an Outlook. So one is we are first coming out of the worst and this is a position from a point of time from right now where we are today and it only improves ourselves, the way we look at it as a management team as this is where we are today and I say if you see my last slide, I spoke about a INR 100 crore order book we are talking about and the conversion of the order book will be done definitely con
Q
I just want to understand there are two targets we are taking rather what I understood one is INR 760 crores and INR 15 crores EBITDA. Then second is basically INR 835 crores and then INR 30 crores EBITDA, so we would like to be, certain which one targets as an investor we should take rather than as a management you are taking internally, but when we are, when we should take number one, number two, what is our employee strength right now and number three, any pipeline for the new business lines?
Thompson Gnanam
So, the first target I think what we should commit is that our group we are given is as of today, we will quarter on quarter, we will review it and upgrade it which is INR 760 crores and INR. 15 crores is what we are saying right now, INR 100 crores order book is what we are trying to achieve that is our target we are running with conversion of order book of INR 100 crores we will translate. So to your question think we should take INR 760 crores to team as a commit from the management team as of today, right assuming even if we do not sell anything the whole year, and my entire sales team go
Q
No we are not converted to any of those debts to any kind of long term options. Yeah FCCB has been completely repaid. There is no outstanding and nothing has converted to like it is like zero debt zero liabilities
Management
Q
We may have to take some working capital limits to the extent that we may need for growth engine for the growth of our revenue but not any long term debt. We may not be needing any long term debt nor we may need any kind of capital equity infusion.
Thompson Gnanam
Absolutely, absolutely I think our focus will be to work within what we have and work within our residual receivables from our Working capital that may be needed for the expansion. Absolutely. Thank you.
Q
Good evening I am Siddharth Gupta I am partner at Voyager Capital. Congratulations on posting such a great set of numbers. It could have been better, but it's still pretty good. I will just start off with a comment for and which is a suggestion from my end and the others are a few questions. The first one is, it sounds actually a little unethical to say this, but Ukraine has actually thrown up a great opportunity because it is the hub for outsourcing for Central and Eastern Europe. So given that we do have certain presence in Europe, we could probably explore peddling our products there and ca
Thompson Gnanam
Exclusive, INR100 crores is the sales target Siddharth. So, assuming that INR 100 crore order book does not go through, I wish it does, but assuming it does not, we will still hit the INR 760 crore revenue. Yeah, absolutely. And my last one is, I mean, you did mention that you are not looking to dilute any further equity. There was an exchange filing yesterday about a new about an ESOP plan that was implemented. Could you just elaborate a bit more on what more sort of equity dilution are we looking at through the ESOP program because that has been a concern for shareholders for a while. Okay,
Q
So See, the mix of employees predominantly, we are all is India based if you look at the other way around US we have around, total on site will be around 600 and the balance is India based and now the important mix, like the other question, which was asked also was what is the mix of, India-India versus India to onshore export business because that is what was really important for us to make a change in that and if you look at our sales and marketing perspective, if you look at it, from a cost perspective, we are investing almost close to the 37 crores if you look, number of people, if you loo
Management
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Sir I have already asked a question and the question is answered.
Management
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Let me at the outset congratulate Thompson, you and your team for coming up with the much improved numbers as compared to what we were seeing earlier, there is clearly a turnaround, which is visible now. So that gives satisfaction. Now I have a couple of questions just bear with me. One is, we talked about last time that there is business mix in current portfolio, which is low margin, we want to get rid of that business, get it replaced by a new business, which is 20% plus kind of operating margin or EBITDA. So one is I wanted to understand how much is that low margin business left in terms of
Thompson Gnanam
I will try and take it, one by one. See one is the revenue mix you spoke about. See the revenue mix is today all said and done, whether it is a low margin, or what we call the run business is still paying our bills, whatever it is, so we will have to safeguard them, drive efficiency, can we get better and in parallel, we are trying to build the other lines of business, which I have been telling consistently. So this year, if you look at it, last year was a year of building some of these new lines of businesses highlighting and doing all that. So today, we are taking hardcore P&L numbers of som
Q
Yeah, based on our existing ESOP scheme that we have, we have about 29 lakh options still open, which is actually a part is to be vested and part is to be exercised. So it is a combination of options to be exercised and to be vested, which amounts to about 29 lakh options. That is about I would say, the equity amount will be around INR 3 crores.
Management
Q
Yeah, thanks a lot, everybody, I think great questions and thanks for the word of encouragement from all shareholders who spoke as well, because it is very important for all of us also to be motivated. It is very encouraging for all the support you have given us, continue to support us because this could be one of the greatest turnaround stories, which all of us will probably reflect back in the years to come. Thank you.
Management
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Speaking time
Thompson Gnanam
13
Moderator
12
Sanjay Rawa
5
Harish Shenoy
3
Siddharth Gupta
3
Asif Iqbal
1
Harpreet Punj
1
Iqbal
1
Prushottam
1
Opening remarks
Thompson Gnanam
Good afternoon, Good evening, Good morning, everybody. It has been a wonderful year, thanks a lot for the great support from all our shareholders. It was a really remarkable year for all of us, because we have come out of the carve out last year, and a new 3i is born and we have been building this new 3i and it has been a fantastic year for all of us. It was just four quarters ago, we had our first presentation and you know time just flies and it's been really exciting and we are also very happy to share the progress we have made and also the plans which we have for coming financial year. So quickly, just to refresh ourselves when we started the year, we wanted to kind of set a goal for ourselves and we said that we will be a billion dollar company and we said we will be at AIM30 So this is very important for us, as an organization, to galvanize and to seamlessly see how the entire organization will move single mindedly towards the goal of being a billion dollar company. It was very im
Sanjay Rawa
Thanks Thompson. Good evening, everyone and thanks for joining the call today evening. Just want to give a kind of a snapshot of our key financials that is the profit and loss statement and balance sheet most of you guys will have gone through the numbers. So I will give you some key numbers that we have which I wanted to highlight the numbers for the top line. We grew by you know, for the year by 11.2%, which is about INR 10 crores revenue in terms of top line. Primarily our revenue has come up due to our US region growing and the India region growing, these are the two major regions which have grown. On the employee cost side, on a quarterly basis have done a lot of margin improvements. I think that has been one of the significant reason for our EBITDA to be positive. Thereafter, I would say, we are working now, on the bottom line to see that we come from the breakeven to show that we get to a positive PAT in the coming quarters, that has been our endeavor and that is what we are wor
Thompson Gnanam
Thanks, Sanjay, maybe we will quickly go to that and we will keep more time for the questions. So quickly what I thought this is the year gone by but let's talk about the year ahead and also I think that's the most interesting part, which we wanted to share with you. We are excited to share with you, so some quick glimpse on the business strategy for everybody's benefit. We are going to next slide just to refresh our memories, I think we use these three terminologies which is run, grow and build, which has become our fundamental methodology by which we want to run this businesses and each and independent P&Ls in various stages of maturity. So the run is predominantly our current enterprise businesses, grow is the new lines of businesses which we are building. So the run plus grow are like the total to P&L which we are so focused and if you look at the statement, which we make in the run plus grow has to be profitable as simple as that, actually, it is very, very simple. Build is someth
Harish Shenoy
Good afternoon. Good evening, everybody. So I think a lot of information on these slides, few numbers on the topside is the vision that we want to achieve. We have given the timelines also and the numbers that you want to achieve and the entire purpose of this slide is how we achieve the goals that we have set for us as an organization, all the segregation of business focus areas, all that Thompson has mentioned all this while in the call. I think we would need to have strategy to achieve those. So to achieve some strategies, we first need to assess where we stand as an organization and what we have done in this first year of new 3I Infotech, I would say. So we identified where are the baseline? Where do we stand as an organization? We clearly defined what are the key objectives after we did define the baselines whether it is market development, whether it's process improvement internally, whether it's people development, nation technologies, or the culture improvement as such. So we s
Thompson Gnanam
Thanks Harish, so just to you know, summarize on that I think it is very important for us to have this goal congruence and goal cascading, what Harish spoke about, because translation of this business strategy to the last trance is very important. That's the focus for us and in fact that changing the entire, methodology of marrying the business KPIs to the rewards philosophy for employees. So there's absolute congruence in terms of what is it for them and what is working for the company What does it for all of us have all essentially so it's very important and this year is really critical year where we want to kind of accelerate on this. Thanks Harish. So quickly on finally for the outlook, I think there is a very important point we wanted to have for a first time, we want to kind of set up a form of goal which all of you can hold as accountable as a management team. As of now as an exit, as you saw our exit numbers,we are saying we will be, our outlook is almost at INR 760 crores with
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