LTFNSEQ4 FY2022May 10, 2022

L&T Finance Limited

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Management on call
Dinanath Dubhashi
our MD and CEO to please come on stage and provide us with
Key numbers — 40 extracted
rs,
performance, results, analysis, on one side and just the feeling of seeing all of you after two years, on another side, genuinely feeling so good to see all of you safe. Let us also at this time recogniz
25%
ext 4 to 5 years is what we are planning. So, you remember in FY16, our retail share was less than 25% and we said that in our right businesses and right structure part, we will increase retailisation.
50%
r right businesses and right structure part, we will increase retailisation. First, our target was 50% and then we said at least to two thirds we will go. Whenever I was talking, I would say my ambitio
51%
two thirds, I am glad to say that we actually ended March 22 despite COVID, despite everything at 51%. The important thing is in retail this year, FY22, we could disburse close to Rs 25,000 Cr which
Rs 25,000
everything at 51%. The important thing is in retail this year, FY22, we could disburse close to Rs 25,000 Cr which is our highest ever disbursements. The quarter itself, we could disburse little more than
Rs 8,000
Cr which is our highest ever disbursements. The quarter itself, we could disburse little more than Rs 8,000 Cr which is our highest ever disbursements. In some of our businesses, micro loans, we did close to
Rs 4,000
r which is our highest ever disbursements. In some of our businesses, micro loans, we did close to Rs 4,000 Cr this quarter which is again our highest ever disbursement. Two wheelers and Farm, we have not on
Rs 800
ing. Home loans, after losing ground, we are again gathering speed and we have disbursed close to Rs 800 Cr this quarter. We understand that it is very small, but we believe we have found the formula, we
Rs 7
gnify? Ability to come quickly out of big problems. I remember first quarter of FY21, we disbursed Rs 7 Cr; first quarter of FY22 we disbursed Rs 100 Cr, Rs 200 Cr something like that, very low number an
Rs 100
oblems. I remember first quarter of FY21, we disbursed Rs 7 Cr; first quarter of FY22 we disbursed Rs 100 Cr, Rs 200 Cr something like that, very low number and we have shown the ability to quickly recover
Rs 200
remember first quarter of FY21, we disbursed Rs 7 Cr; first quarter of FY22 we disbursed Rs 100 Cr, Rs 200 Cr something like that, very low number and we have shown the ability to quickly recover to this.
7.84%
hat one small line of retail at all time high disbursements of Rs 25,000 Cr show. NIMs, NIMs are 7.84% for the year, 8.17% for quarter. I remember those times that I was guiding you around 6.5% to 7%.
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Guidance — 20 items
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Having said that, obviously the question will be that look, you told this strategy, but these are the few things which went wrong, so why should we believe what you are going to talk today?
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
There, my only request will be, give us a patient listening today, we will talk primarily about what my team has been doing for the last 6 years, what are the strengths we have developed and how in the next 4 to 5 years, we are going to use these strengths and accelerate tremendously as we go ahead.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
First, our target was 50% and then we said at least to two thirds we will go.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
We understand that it is very small, but we believe we have found the formula, we have found the mojo and from here it will be only growth.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
One, ~Rs 25,000 Cr disbursement overall retail, good number, we have shown the ability to grow, to grow in bad markets and hence the confidence that we will grow further.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
We took the call and I must admit, there was no great scientific reason on that call, it is just showing cautiousness, caution that with COVID cases going up again, we do hope certainly that this will be like the Q3.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Proud of the liability strength that we have created and last but not the least digital and data analytics and we will be talking much more about that as we go ahead.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
The target my team has is a good customer, never should get an NOC from us, in a way that you should always have and we will know, it is not the question of overborrowing, overleveraging, that is silly because analytics will show very clearly whether it is overleveraging or not, but very clearly if the customer is going from us to someone else, we should not allow.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
We definitely plan to become one, not copying but taking inspiration from what this brilliant peer has done and finding our own way, perhaps unique way of becoming a Fintech@Scale.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
This is what we intend to achieve by 2026: • Retail at 80% of the balance sheet and it says greater than 80%, minimum 80% • Retail CAGR of 25% and we are talking CAGR, hopefully we will achieve it every year, but yes, as I said one year COVID and this and that may be there, we will make sure that 25% CAGR is achieved • Achieve this at an excellent asset quality, try and keep our NS3 at less than 1% always and • Get back to ROAs of close to 3%.
Risks & concerns — 15 flagged
So, it is a cautious call, let me put it this way, but it also bodes well for the years to come or quarters to come.
Dinanath Dubhashi
Expenses can be got down, but portfolio once it is spoiled it is very difficult and hence, we have put more investments in collection costs, of course more investments in IT etc., But the good part of the expenses is the first, so now what is tooth to tail ratio?
Dinanath Dubhashi
It is difficult, but yes, we have achieved that, but much more difficult is the collection and today, we are proud that each of these 13,000 people whomever we say that you have to do collection, not all 13,000 do collections, but they can close on their hand held completely including issue of receipts.
Dinanath Dubhashi
Today, actually we are at a place and I will demonstrate some of them to you, where we can actually do a propensity to pay index, on say low risk- their mandate will get collected, will clear.
Dinanath Dubhashi
Some medium risk - where call center has to call and remind and they will pay and some hard - where I have to allocate and may be some completely chronic where I have to just not waste time, just repossess.
Dinanath Dubhashi
Credit risk, yes very important, but operational risk, technology risks, these risks are going to become way more important perhaps than just credit risks.
Dinanath Dubhashi
Yes, that is true, but very clearly, the dependence of this sector now on so many things including permissions, various permissions, progress of projects, it is becoming more and more difficult to be predictable and with that we have decided to one, complete our existing projects.
Dinanath Dubhashi
May 2, 2022 Demonstrable strength in risk management Next, very important risk: I think I am not going to talk here about what is risk and how do we do credit well, it is all understood, we have demonstrated that already, I am not going to talk about that too much.
The fourth Vector is Channels
An enterprise-wide risk framework, obviously we have a risk appetite statement, we have risk limit framework, dashboards, early warning signals, all these I have been talking about before like today I am talking here, I was talking about all these 4-5 years back and I believe the status of our retail portfolio actually shows that all these have been built already.
The fourth Vector is Channels
Operational risk is a big risk which will come up.
The fourth Vector is Channels
It is a very well-known firm, but we challenge them how can NPA to book be early warning.
The fourth Vector is Channels
More difficult is you logging in and I am not having your data and you are logging in there and me approving it real time.
The fourth Vector is Channels
That is much more difficult, doing all the checks, everywhere, real time and approving it.
The fourth Vector is Channels
Identify customers who are likely to go bad because of some pressure coming from here and there and take collection actions early and then identify customers who are already bad and take collection actions.
Ecosystems
We are going to achieve through 4 major initiatives, one, obviously business which is a sustainable profitability and growth engine, second is futuristic risk management, third is becoming and launching various tools to become a FinTech@Scale and last, but not the least making this all sustainable through ESG.
This is the time that I should summarize
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Speaking time
Dinanath Dubhashi
12
Moderator
4
Nischint Chawathe
4
Rikin Shah
2
Aditya Jain
2
The fourth Vector is Channels
1
Third party partners and field agents
1
Ecosystems
1
This is the time that I should summarize
1
Sarath Chandra
1
Opening remarks
Dinanath Dubhashi
Thank you, Karthik. A very good morning and thank you to all of you. I think before I start my presentation, the first feeling, performance, results, analysis, on one side and just the feeling of seeing all of you after two years, on another side, genuinely feeling so good to see all of you safe. Let us also at this time recognize the tremendous efforts put by workers in the industry, forget just L&T Finance, over the last 2 years. Just imagine that we are all meeting and feeling good after meeting after so long, these are the people who have been toiling on the field and also taking care of themselves, taking care of their family and still making sure that results are delivered, so my thank you to all of them. Today, 2nd May 2022, I remember a day just one short of 6 years back which was 3rd May 2016, when I stood on a similar stage in some other hotel and presented the strategy what later became LTFS 2.0. Many of you were there, my management was there, I was there, yes, we have chan
The fourth Vector is Channels
Today, we are a very point of presence or point of sales-oriented Company. We are very strong in dealerships. We are very strong in visiting the customer’s house and lending there, collecting there. We are now using the strengths that we have built in digital and analytics to make sure that we do geo-agnostic sourcing, use digital and use analytics to deepen the understanding of the customer and open up more and more channels for the customer. I will demonstrate some of this, but for now, be suffice in saying that we will not be only branch based, we can approach the customer through Chatbot, through WhatsApp, through web, through apps and ultimately through an ecosystem and that is the whole power of channels that we are unleashing. So, the first power that we are unleashing is Cross-Sell and Up-Sell; second, Geo expansion; third is Channels and the fourth is New Products. Growth Vectors (6/6), Product expansion keeping customer at core May 2, 2022 The first line is clearly the existi
Third party partners and field agents
Now what is important for field agency. Field agents, all have, so what is it? I am going to demonstrate an app which is used by my micro loans or microfinance field agents which is about capturing details of the customer, which is about income generation or income estimation and more importantly, it is about collections and within collections, even more importantly, it is about customer location. In microfinance, we have close to 15,000 people. At the feet on street, it has tremendous level of attrition. My first problem when a new person joins, is where the May 2, 2022 customer resides, because address is in the rural, behind Hanuman mandir and if that village has two Hanuman mandir we are finished and back side meaning you don’t exactly know where, right, can we exactly locate that customer, even more importantly, can we give our most efficient route map to my person. Basically, can we make sure that my person’s life becomes easy, productivity increases through the roof and without
Ecosystems
Right now, we are all doing our own sourcing, how can we source through ecosystems, I am not necessarily talking about the bank bazaar and loan bazaar kind of ecosystems, but can we have people who are doing their own work, can we get the data from them, can we use that to use to source. What are the different types of ecosystems, e-aggregators which is the e-aggregators which all know about, our partners and third party products, can we use our entire marketing cloud and we can, I am sure, one, having a complete live link with this, so for example, if you are taking admission in say Aakash or somebody like that, while you are filling up your admission form, how can data come to us and we can drop off, to a certain criteria it will be preapproved any way, but beyond that how can we drop the offer, can we drop our next best offer, if that person is not completely qualified, these kind of things moving around and doing it on a completely integrated way, this is what I was talking about t
This is the time that I should summarize
Lakshya, we want to be totally digitally enabled, we want to become a retail Company, focus totally on customer, going beyond the product focus that we have. We are going to achieve through 4 major initiatives, one, obviously business which is a sustainable profitability and growth engine, second is futuristic risk management, third is becoming and launching various tools to become a FinTech@Scale and last, but not the least making this all sustainable through ESG. Specifically talking about the first, we are one vector working today, 1.5 may be which is product excellence and may be half of cross sell unleash 5 vectors which is product, cross sell, geographic expansion, different channels, especially digital channels and new products. Through this, achieve and make sure that we achieve the goals that we have set forth. We have used our digital and data analytics for internal excellence, for operational excellence, for operational efficiency till now largely, unleash it now for determi
Sarath Chandra
Mr. Dubhashi, this is Sarath Chandra, investment advisor, 5 years back in the same hall we met, you gave a long presentation and I will just like to open that presentation, slide number 4 and in that slide number 4, you had promised 5 years down the road, you will transform, improve ROE, focus on growth which you have obviously delivered on cost income ratio, etc., rural business, housing business, wholesale business, investment management, wealth management, so on and so forth, 5 years have passed, ROE has come 50% down, stock prices also come down. Five years back, I had got some confidence from your talk, but today you are giving me a new hope, Lakshya, 5 years later on, I don’t know whether I will still be in that business, because I am already old, so I hope after 5 years we will not be disappointed again the way we are disappointed after few years. Thank you very much.
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