CAMSNSEQ4 FY2022May 06, 2022

Computer Age Management Services Limited

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Management on call
Anuj Kumar
MANAGING DIRECTOR COMPUTER AGE MANAGEMENT SERVICES LIMITED
Ram Charan Sesharaman
CHIEF FINANCIAL
Anish Sawlani
HEAD INVESTOR RELATION - COMPUTER AGE MANAGEMENT SERVICES LIMITED
Anuj Kumar
Managing Director, Mr. Ram Charan – CFO, Mr. Anish Sawlani - Head Investor
Key numbers — 40 extracted
4%
ng the first completed month we are in the first week of May right now, we have achieved the over 4% share, these are very early days shares absolute volumes etc., at the start making sense once you
3.37 lakh Crore
ch about the equity segment and then overall. Equity share growth which is equity AUM, we grew by 3.37 lakh Crores and just an unprecedented number which we had not seen in previous years. This 3167 last growth
183%
yday assets from March of 2021 to March of 2022. If you take the rest of the market this is about 183% of the overall rest of the market the 3.6 lakh number, rest of the market grew by about 1.8 lakh
3.6 lakh
2022. If you take the rest of the market this is about 183% of the overall rest of the market the 3.6 lakh number, rest of the market grew by about 1.8 lakh Crores. Our share on industry equity assets s
1.8 lakh Crore
bout 183% of the overall rest of the market the 3.6 lakh number, rest of the market grew by about 1.8 lakh Crores. Our share on industry equity assets so you have seen a 70% market share, which is obviously a
70%
the market grew by about 1.8 lakh Crores. Our share on industry equity assets so you have seen a 70% market share, which is obviously a different asset classes, have been different in equity assets,
62.5%
bviously a different asset classes, have been different in equity assets, this share has crept up 62.5% in March 2021 to 65% in March 2022 so that is about 2.5% share gain in just pure equity assets du
65%
set classes, have been different in equity assets, this share has crept up 62.5% in March 2021 to 65% in March 2022 so that is about 2.5% share gain in just pure equity assets during this time period
2.5%
equity assets, this share has crept up 62.5% in March 2021 to 65% in March 2022 so that is about 2.5% share gain in just pure equity assets during this time period. If I take you to gross sales, the
64%
et us say balance out people who are existing this is about people who are coming in. In equity 64% share in gross sales, 4.29 Crores with the rest of the industry doing 2.4% and in debt this share
4.29 Crore
le who are existing this is about people who are coming in. In equity 64% share in gross sales, 4.29 Crores with the rest of the industry doing 2.4% and in debt this share was 77% so 77% of all debt gross
2.4%
coming in. In equity 64% share in gross sales, 4.29 Crores with the rest of the industry doing 2.4% and in debt this share was 77% so 77% of all debt gross sales came to CAMService Fund which is
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Guidance — 19 items
Anuj Kumar
opening
There is been some delay there but the very heartening piece of news is that SEBI has now officially confirmed that SEBI governed entities will be joining the account aggregator architecture that will happen in the coming months so that broadens out the play from lending entities to capital market entities and then of course our expectation is that both insurance and pension will follow just to complete that entire story.
Anuj Kumar
opening
It played out almost throughout the year, it played out very intensely in August to December and then to some extent in January to March and now of course there is a small time period for which there will be no enough rooms in NFOs.
Anuj Kumar
opening
The only one metric that you need to look at to see how steady SIP collections market is concerned is towards the SIP collections themselves because there is no net of gross number here because that is the money which comes out of investor bank and you will be seeing almost a 4 Crores to 5 Crores increment at industry level, in the last maybe three to four months.
Anuj Kumar
opening
Now obviously for a platform of this nature we are expecting the login sessions will be several x times will be 5% to 10x of this number over a period of time but given the fact that we have been in the market the last three or four months that that is very heartening.
Anuj Kumar
opening
So we expect that part to move quickly during the balanced part of the current year and current financial year and then I spoke about NPS and eNPS having scored a four percent share in the eNPS market during the last month.
Ram Charan S
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So the transaction revenue will be between 25% and 30% depending on the quarter, Devesh.
Ram Charan S
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That will be the percentage of the non-asset base remaining will be call center and we have some license fee that we do for example our MF Decks application, our front office applications and all those things we kind of get some license fee for that and then there is the OP.
Devesh Agarwal
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All right and again on the non-mutual fund revenue we see an inch up this quarter almost a percent again what has driven that and going ahead what would be your guidance in terms of the contribution from the non-mutual fund business given that now both AA and NPS have gone live?
Ram Charan
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If you see from a longer-term perspective, our CAGR continues to be there, if you have to see the year end and see the three-year CAGR, five years CAGR and ten years CAGR the five and ten years CAGR continues to be a healthy and the industry continues to be around 19.8% to 20% and our CAMS revenue continues to grow in fact little higher than last calculation almost at 16%.
Dipanjan Ghosh
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On the second question, now that you have gone right with the AU proposition and it has kicked off, if you can share unit economics more on the non-TSP side of the business in terms of how your revenue model is structured and the margins that you probably intend to make on more of a steady state basis in the business?
Risks & concerns — 2 flagged
So this resulted in overall small increase marginal increase in the revenue and the EBITDA given that we continue to invest in our new initiatives with regard to the CRA business that Anuj spoke about, the account aggregator business, the TSP business, the investments we continue to make so there was a small decline sequentially on the EBITDA margins and the EBITDA number by 1.5 Crores from operating perspective.
Ram Charan S
Whatever impact they have we will see from this quarter but we are expecting real impact of that to come any really impact to come in the second half of the year so that thing has not played out yet.
Anuj Kumar
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Q&A — 8 exchanges
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Good morning Sir and congratulations on good set of numbers. Firstly, I wanted to understand on the quarterly mutual fund revenues. If I divide that with the assets that you service there has been an improvement in the yields on a sequential basis. Could you explain that because the assets are more or less similar and so is the equity share?
Ram Charan S
Devesh, actually there is one important change that happened to the statement that you are making which is that the equity mix has improved marginally if you see compared to last time it is almost like a percentage in terms of the equity assets overall so that is that is a beneficial impact and even within that you know there are some inter-customer movements that happened in the last but if not every customer actually did not grow so there were some customers who grew in there so that was a favorable impact of that too so both put together that is you are right you know the yields have inched
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Mr. Anuj thanks for the excellent presentation that you always do. Number two, the numbers were good. It needs a congratulations. Thank you from all of us. Last you need to take care of your throat which does not need to be in the best possible shape, so Mr. Ram Charan you can answer. Two and a half question that I am going to ask. Number one: if you see this quarter versus last quarter over last year it has grown by 21.3% whereas the December quarter had grown by 25.7% year-on-year, does that mean that we are slipping. Number two: There are lot of things happening around in terms of the paren
Anuj Kumar
Punit, thanks for your comments. I will answer this in part and then I will ask Ram Charan to take over. The release that you saw is a very routine kind of occurrence. That occurrence is and I will give you the details, private FT companies when they hold an investment hold it in an entity, the owner of that entity is typically their investors or LP it is possible to have some loan in that entity which means you made a Rs.100 investment Rs.90 came from the investors, Rs.10 came from a banker so total the Rs.100 through which the investment is made. Whatever you are saying and the filing that y
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I just have few questions from my side. Sir, on the first part I just wanted to understand how much of your non-asset link revenues during the year, was led by higher NFO related volumes that is witnessed in FY2022?
Ram Charan
For the year it is not single digit percentage because the revenue model for NFOs is the applications based billing, although there were mega inner force and there will be some revenue that comes from NFOs, Dipanjan the way we look at it, it is more kind of a future revenue potential for the NFOs and the onetime revenue that we get by processing the application forms so, that will be less than Rs.5 Crores – Rs.10 Crores for the year that is not going to be significant the potential that gives us for future revenue is what is more reflecting in that. On the second question, now that you have go
Q
Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Sir, can you highlight which can be your core competitors in the market?
Anuj Kumar
Depending upon which product you are looking for the competitors change if I look at the core business which is the RTA business there is one large RTA you know the name, they are competitors. When it comes to a lot of other capabilities our ability for example offer API’s of all kinds, have website transaction portals etc., that are built, there are lot of IT companies which that kind of work and we are all competitors. If you see account aggregator and TSP, if you go to some of the website you will see about 30 different IT companies of all kinds including a few of the big four in India are
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Thank you for the opportunity and congratulations for the quarter. Sir, I have few questions, number one is regarding this press release where you mentioned that CAMSfinserv has collaborated with Microsoft India to develop the AA market place so, I just wanted to understand what kind of collaboration is this and is there any sort of investments which we are going to do in the near future in terms of money or in terms of the man power for this specific collaboration number one? Number two is a data keeping point I just wanted to know the ESOP number for Q4 FY2022 and Q4 FY2021 and for full year
Anuj Kumar
Very good question. Just as you know our business is moving away almost to be predominantly technology-oriented business and a platform business. Within that, account aggregators are new initiative and we wanted to be sure that we had best in class partnerships in the country. With entities which were not just commercial partnering with us, I can go in my something from Microsoft and I can call it a partnership but that is not how this is built. Microsoft as and India centric initiative has partnered with the specific market leaders in different segments, let us say someone in banking, someone
Q
Greetings Anuj and first of all congratulations on good set of numbers. My question is with the follow up regarding the margin with sales. I just wanted to know if you all are planning on margin expansion what steps can be taken in order to improve PAT and EBIT margins?
Ram Charan
From the margin perspective historically if you see the margins has been within the range of 35%-40%, in a good year it has been around 40%. Over the last one year definitely you have seen some margin expansion happening it has been a combination of the growth in the assets as well as some amount of cost optimization that has happened to automation that happened has benefited to an extent on the cost. But going forward from a margin perspective our expectation is that to maintain a early 40’s kind of a margin will involve a lot of work from our side. We are not looking at a huge margin expansi
Q
My question is regarding the competition, so as you rightly mentioned that there are only two players in this market. How do we differentiate ourselves from your competitors?
Anuj Kumar
You cans see that the MF RTA market is now almost close to 30-year-old market within this marketplace as I explained earlier consumers and asset managers were looking for a set of trades or set of capability and wanted to make a decision basis that. The business has become extremely regulated. The market expectation is 100% quality. Small thing that go around carefree attention of not just consumers but governing bodies, auditors, boards, trustees all of them. Gold plating in device results in quality, in compliance, in industrial servicing and record keeping and the way we manage APIs, the wa
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Thank you. Thanks everybody for attending the earnings call of CAMS. Please feel free to reach out for any further questions to either Orient Capital or IR or to Anish Sawlani in the email addresses given in our corporate presentation or in the communication that you have received. Look forward to continued coverage and support. Thanks again for attending.
Management
Speaking time
Moderator
10
Anuj Kumar
10
Ram Charan
8
Dipanjan Ghosh
5
Prasheel Shah
5
Ram Charan S
4
Devesh Agarwal
3
Kaushal Agarwal
3
Sanjay Awatramani
2
Jatin Jadhav
2
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Opening remarks
Anuj Kumar
Thank you Inba. Good morning to all the participants. Thanks for taking the time out to join this earnings call. Like the format we presented in the past, we will take you through a presentation and then maybe in about 20-25 minutes we would be done and then we should have enough time for Q&A. Overall as all of you know, FY2022 has been a strong year compared to the reasonably lean performance that we saw in FY2021, FY2022 was a strong year across all key metrics whether you see financial or operating metrics, investor interest in mutual funds, or product launches or digital properties etc., so we will kind of cover all of these aspects in the presentation and I will begin in terms of key highlights the first one that I would like to mention is that Zerodha, as a potential asset manager which is about to join the marketplace has opted to go with CAMS, some of you may have noticed this in the exchange filing we made about a week or 10 days back we have not yet done an official press rel
Ram Charan S
Thank you Anuj. I will just take you through the yearly financial highlights of for FY2022 and some flavor on the quarter that went by. As Anuj has mentioned FY2022 was a very strong year for CAMs in terms of financials. The AUM that we track which is the average AUM grew by 27.6% in the year that is FY2021 versus FY2022. So our revenue kind of tracked this and the revenue grew by around 29% which is it when it ended at 909.7 Crores up to 29% over 705 Crores, which we clocked in the earlier year. Out of this the MF revenue again almost tracked the entire growth in AUM which it grew by 28.8%, the AUM grew by 28% so it almost tracked the entire growth of AUM. The MF revenue was at 820 Crores versus 636 Crores the earlier year, in which the asset-based revenue again healthy growth tracking the AUM growth, asset-based revenue grew by 27% year-on-year for the financial year, it was ended at 690 Crores versus 542 Crores for the earlier year. So the strong growth in AUM is reflected entirely
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