COHANCENSEJune 1, 2022

Cohance Lifesciences Limited

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ormulations not a blockbusters like others, we only go after the low brand, where volume is 40 to 50 million average. If we do 3 to 4 million in the generic space and not many people will fight for that. Wh
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e others, we only go after the low brand, where volume is 40 to 50 million average. If we do 3 to 4 million in the generic space and not many people will fight for that. When we started this, we started wi
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exercise we do so the Casper Pharma we took it because we have bonus of pricing we took last year 25% share. We sold that to a big PU fund, HID partners who owns 60%. The Casper Pharma is owned by on
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onus of pricing we took last year 25% share. We sold that to a big PU fund, HID partners who owns 60%. The Casper Pharma is owned by one of the partners of Rising Pharma at that time and so the HID c
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me but after that it is not like other than RA molecule. Questionnaire: So would you be having 10% to 15% growth guidance for FY2023. Company Speaker: It is a blended growth on the pharma side,
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after that it is not like other than RA molecule. Questionnaire: So would you be having 10% to 15% growth guidance for FY2023. Company Speaker: It is a blended growth on the pharma side, Questi
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ally for any day while sleeping also then they said okay I will give a good price but they want a 50%, I mean, 60% why not I take my all these peoples and does not handle in giving things which was r
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I said it will be at the end of 2023-2024 it will be launched, these values will be $7 to $8 to $10 million so what we have guided, in our guidance and it comes to the pharma clients since it is depending
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these ramp up can happen, but that happened once in 2014, 2015, after that it is normal growth of 20%, 25% which is happening, so that is a challenge we have to guide you on whatever, we do not know
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, we do not know our sales, but based on the trends and we have 10% to 15% guarantee, but outside 23% there is a likelihood of downside also sometimes it can happen because the repeat business may no
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growth potential on the other side all in all we say it is a flat growth for now may be positive 5%, but right now it says around flat growth. With respect to the formulations and I said this is a
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Company Speaker
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So, we will be supplying the cost-plus basis and then we will be getting some profit share on the products and all the R&D projects of Rising pharma will come exclusively to Casper Pharma for the next seven years.
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Their products we sold through the distribution and profit-sharing basis but Rising has their own R&D and no manufacturing, so this is a phase they have a contract for seven years on exclusive basis to set all their R&D projects for tech transfer will be done by Casper and filing will be done by Casper and sold at cost plus basis like any other aspect and we will make profit sharing with the molecules.
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They have so many customers so they will give them so many products they are identifying some projects on their own and we will be doing in their own facility and for that they have the contract already last year itself before we got this, we do not have Casper Pharma at that time.
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Here they are doing everything and this is a seven-year contract and if the prices will be paid for this book value only.
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Unfortunately, things did not move because of the COVID and hope that things will start sometime next year, but it will take three to four years before you see any opportunity to bid on it.
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Similarly, they also cut down the number of things they are working with so it is a seamless transition from phase to phase and also less project management.
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It is a huge project management for them.
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We are doing one R&D project which matured in phase one, two, three and even finally launched and when we did that project we did in a private plant in the R&D centre.
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Now we are hoping that it will move next year onwards and it will take three to four years before you see.
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But when it becomes to the generic the concept or let us call it life cycle management that is where people like us will be coming.
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No because where I am coming is from is that I hope the under development is sort of like streamlined that is not going to decline but in the commercial as the molecules go up patent can decline.
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Similarly in the business, because since it became big volume product, became generic it will have some price pressure even though volumes are still there so based on that even though there is a growth potential on the other side all in all we say it is a flat growth for now may be positive 5%, but right now it says around flat growth.
Company Speaker
There are number of things that you cannot control, the worry is not able to guide, because we do not have the visibility ourselves, let say we get challenge for us to talk to the customer, our investors whatever you can call it.
Company Speaker
Sir if you can throw some light on the formulation side some of the aspects like obviously some of the concerns, not concern but now always we also talk to peers and understand.
Questionnaire
Yes, and you can ask me for return of the capital and all this you can have it in one year it may happen five years later we can take this activity it is very difficult for us to give the kind of breakup.
Company Speaker
So now the client has changing and now that they have taken that now they have price pressure because of the pure generic nature on that molecule so the volume is 10 value comes down that is why what I was thinking is the other ones will take away this increase 5%, 10% that is why I said flat.
Company Speaker
Scaling can happen even in CRAMS right if four or five months you come suddenly out of this five, because of the Covid, otherwise one or two might have come out suddenly you can double the one year there and of course sustaining at that level is a challenge of course but it can happen, it happened in 2013 2014 timeline.
Company Speaker
So that is where I am coming from why that or sort of that I am sort of trying to get spectrum my question is that while we have a very strong sort of development and NC model and we are doing intermediate what is the risk that more aggressive full spectrum players are able to grab a lot of the business actually have sort of doing.
Questionnaire
There is no risk here we think and as I said it is a mindset of the management.
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Opening remarks
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Thank you very much Sir for this and Sir just I mean we probably already got this question many times but like this whole foray and now a bigger commitment to generics and ANDA manufacturing, just trying to understand like because the current setup will be more of a contract manufacturing sort of set up right, for Casper, so?
Company Speaker
No, not the risk of pricing. It is not contract manufacturing. It is profit share. So, we will be supplying the cost-plus basis and then we will be getting some profit share on the products and all the R&D projects of Rising pharma will come exclusively to Casper Pharma for the next seven years.
Company Speaker
They have 15 under development. Two of them are already filed and we are expecting the FDA audit within three months. Then commercialization takes place. Then the additional filings are happening.
Company Speaker
To Casper yes. Rising R&D projects, see Rising has some 15 odd customers. Their products we sold through the distribution and profit-sharing basis but Rising has their own R&D and no manufacturing, so this is a phase they have a contract for seven years on exclusive basis to set all their R&D projects for tech transfer will be done by Casper and filing will be done by Casper and sold at cost plus basis like any other aspect and we will make profit sharing with the molecules.
Company Speaker
Yes, they have R&D. They have so many customers so they will give them so many products they are identifying some projects on their own and we will be doing in their own facility and for that they have the contract already last year itself before we got this, we do not have Casper Pharma at that time.
Questionnaire
Just coming back and you are like businesses doing well? It is very profitable so just trying to understand from a strategic standpoint why this foray into?
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