GVPILNSEQ4 FY22May 31, 2022

GE Power India Limited

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Management on call
Prashant Jain
MANAGING DIRECTOR, GE POWER INDIA LIMITED
Brian Selby
ASEAN REGION SALES EXECUTIVE, HYDRO
Yogesh Gupta
WHOLE TIME DIRECTOR & CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, GE POWER INDIA LIMITED
Vinit Pant
SALES EXECUTIVE- COMMERCIAL, GE POWER INDIA LIMITED
Key numbers — 40 extracted
25 million
very committed to safety at GE Power India Limited. We are proud to share that your Company with 25 million hours has had zero fatalities and had a very good safe track record with several sites. We have
36%
briefly the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter, the steam services order intake was higher by 36%. We see robust demand on steam services. The strategy is on track while the new equipment project
17%
the year, steam services business continues to grow as per the expectations. The revenue grew by 17% in the full year and the order intake in the current year was stable with better margins despite
190 million
ent slide. The Company managed cash better in the financial year with borrowings reduced by about 190 million. So, that is in essence, the year on the key aspects of the year in 2021-22. Moving to page 6, yo
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we see a better mix of better service margin in the order intake. We have also started taking orders, which are not largely EPC, but non-EPC with reduced risk, so that is what we also continue to see
Rs. 209 crore
portfolio, there has been a drop, but that's mainly because we had a single large order of almost Rs. 209 crores, which was booked in 2020-21, so that affected ordering. As Prashant mentioned, steam
Rs. 9.3 billion
f the slide, it is Q4 revenue numbers compared with the Q4 revenue numbers of the last year. From Rs. 9.3 billion revenue in 2021 quarter 4, we have come down by Rs. 3.6 billion to Rs. 5.9 billion in the current
Rs. 3.6 billion
ue numbers of the last year. From Rs. 9.3 billion revenue in 2021 quarter 4, we have come down by Rs. 3.6 billion to Rs. 5.9 billion in the current year Q4. The primary reason for this is as explained by Prashan
Rs. 5.9 billion
ast year. From Rs. 9.3 billion revenue in 2021 quarter 4, we have come down by Rs. 3.6 billion to Rs. 5.9 billion in the current year Q4. The primary reason for this is as explained by Prashant like the COVID ch
50%
er order intake in the last 2 years. The FGD contribution, which used to be in the range of about 50%+ has come down to around 40% in current year. So, these are the main reasons for our revenue in
40%
years. The FGD contribution, which used to be in the range of about 50%+ has come down to around 40% in current year. So, these are the main reasons for our revenue in this quarter going down. And i
Rs. 7.2 billion
own. And if we look at on the right side, the revenue for the full year 2021- 22, has come down by Rs. 7.2 billion, which is almost 22%. The prime reasons are same as we have seen for the quarter 4 and they have
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Guidance — 20 items
Prashant Jain
opening
The strategy is on track while the new equipment project orders have been delayed primarily in the fourth quarter due to inflationary pressures, the customers are waiting for some of the communities to cool down to be able to make their decision on the projects, but we have a robust pipeline.
Prashant Jain
opening
In projects business, we have seen a substantial lower revenue and this is driven by supply chain disruptions, which started due to the third wave of COVID that quarter and majority of the revenue now in the projects is coming from site works and supplies, they are coming into the tail end of the project.
Prashant Jain
opening
This is primarily driven by lower project volume.
Prashant Jain
opening
The project business was where we saw slower order intake largely due to government regulations and lack of finalization of large deals.
Prashant Jain
opening
On the revenue in the new projects, we continue to run down the boiler backlog and the impact on volume that we see largely in the Company in the last financial year is due to lower volume, lower project order intake and that we see the impact in the financial year.
Vinit Pant
opening
So, these were the reasons, but then going forward quarter 4, I would say things were really improving.
Yogesh Gupta
opening
Despite all these challenges that we have seen, the steam service revenue has been progressing very well and we had 17% growth for the full year on the steam service revenue, whereas the project revenue has gone down because of our lower order intake, etc.
Yogesh Gupta
opening
So, these contributed to the challenge on the profitability side and there has been the Subansiri project wherein we had updated the cost in the first quarter itself, had an impact of Rs.
Yogesh Gupta
opening
870 million on the project cost front and there was some good amount of entries on the profitability side coming from our service business.
Brian Selby
opening
Very quickly on Subansiri, as we all know, this project was restarted back in January 2021 after not literally being ground to a halt since 2011.
Risks & concerns — 11 flagged
There was also a pressure on factors like inflation, cumulative customer delays and additional impact that we see in the fourth quarter is due to the right sizing of Durgapur factory and the execution challenges when I mentioned that it is specifically about manpower shortage on sites and the supply chain disruption partly that we saw in some of the sites.
Prashant Jain
Moving to page 6, your Company has been talking to you for the past couple of years on a strategy to de-risk the portfolio by a better mix of order intake and we are now reporting this every quarter, the progress on cumulative order for the last full year.
Prashant Jain
We have also started taking orders, which are not largely EPC, but non-EPC with reduced risk, so that is what we also continue to see moving in the right direction.
Prashant Jain
So, from the market mix, cash mix, risk profile of the business, the Company continues to make efforts to de-risk the business by improving the mix and I would say that the direction is in the right direction for the order intake.
Prashant Jain
This way, we have taken the hit in the current year so as to ensure that in the future we don't have any such impact of impairment or write down of our machines and plant.
Yogesh Gupta
So, these contributed to the challenge on the profitability side and there has been the Subansiri project wherein we had updated the cost in the first quarter itself, had an impact of Rs.
Yogesh Gupta
There was an impact of restructuring cost at Durgapur to the extent of Rs.
Yogesh Gupta
So, what I would summarize is that yes, it was a tough year with COVID and inflationary pressure and the challenge was due to the lower volume.
Prashant Jain
My first question is on the gross margins, again, we continue to witness pressure and hover around 20%.
Narendra Mhalsekar
What part of the order book continues to see margin pressure and how do you see the margins going from here on considering services have now seen 84% of the in-flows mix?
Narendra Mhalsekar
We follow a conservative approach and if it all there is any further challenge we are seeing on any of the receivables, we provide on top of this policy that we follow.
Yogesh Gupta
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Q&A — 5 exchanges
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My first question is on the gross margins, again, we continue to witness pressure and hover around 20%. What part of the order book continues to see margin pressure and how do you see the margins going from here on considering services have now seen 84% of the in-flows mix?
Yogesh Gupta
We have order backlog in the range of about Rs. 38 to Rs. 39 million and the profit margins on these different businesses have, like on steam it is in the range of about 10% to 11%, services is around 25% to 26% and hydro is in the range of 11% to 12%. So, this is the percentage of margins that we have on our backlog and as has been shared in the presentation, we have acquired business, especially in stream services, on even improved margin. So, as we proceed, we would be further improving upon our service margin profitability and we are targeting or aiming to execute the remaining order backl
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I have a couple of question. The first one was that if you see our P&L, the consolidated fee, our other expenses have gone up, so if you could run us through what drove that? Second is that if you could help us understand now that we have taken this decision on Durgapur, what is the kind of cost savings that we can see in the business going forward, as in how much does it bring down our fixed cost base price, so in that sense mitigate some kind of our order flows and third is in terms of the promoter GE group itself, they have talked about transfer of assets and other IP's to the Company, so w
Prashant Jain
So let me start with the third question and in the meanwhile, we will come back to you on the first and the second question. On the IP transfer, technology transfer, development of local know-how in the Company, on the FGD we have achieved close to 98% to 99% local competence in the Company. The entire bidding competence is 100% where there is the entire DJU bonds qualification criteria are all addressed locally by the Company. The execution competence, now we have executed the milestone, as Raj confirmed, on the FGD's by ourselves in the Country, which is Unchahar, Jhajjar, etc., and pretty m
Q
I have 2 questions. First on the cost of material point of view, I can clearly see that the material cost is increasing, so are we able to pass it on and if yes, what is the lag time and the second question on the quality of debtors, the trade receivables are continuously increasing, even the revenue is falling, so what is the quality of the trade receivables?
Prashant Jain
On the gross margin, I will address that. What is changing is the business mix. The earlier revenue was largely coming from the portfolio combination of Durgapur, which is boilers and FGD and services. As we run down the boiler portfolio, the mix is moving towards more FGD and FGD is largely a project business with bought-out. So, that's one change in mix that is partly reflecting into the gross margin. The additional impact that you see in the gross margin is also coming from the cost of bids. In the project that was explained by Brian and Yogesh on the slides. So, that is the reason why you
Q
Just one clarification, you talked about the cost savings, the employee cost of roughly Rs. 7 crores and depreciation of Rs. 12 crores. So, these are annual savings or these are quarterly savings?
Yogesh Gupta
These will be annual savings.
Q
Thank you everyone for joining and attending the call. Wishing you all the best, have a good week ahead. Thank you, team.
Management
Speaking time
Moderator
7
Yogesh Gupta
7
Prashant Jain
6
Vinit Pant
4
Danesh Mistry
4
Narendra Mhalsekar
3
Simar Preet Singh
2
Brian Selby
1
Raj Raman
1
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Opening remarks
Prashant Jain
Very good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the Q4 results call for GE Power India Limited and I welcome my team as well who is joining with me to address the presentation, what happened in the quarter and what happened in the last financial year and the next action titles. We have shared the deck online at the stock exchange. I will refer to the page number as we go through the presentation. We will cover a safety update on page 2. The executive summary on the quarter and the financial year and then we go through the financials and we come to the summary followed by question and answers. Moving to page 3, as is the custom, we always start with Safety and we are very committed to safety at GE Power India Limited. We are proud to share that your Company with 25 million hours has had zero fatalities and had a very good safe track record with several sites. We have also celebrated the 51st National Safety Day across all sites and we are also now engaging with employees, their families, whic
Vinit Pant
Thank you Prashant and good afternoon everyone. I am going to take you through the slide #8 on orders. On the left hand side of this slide, we have the quarter 4 numbers comparison between 2021 and 2021-22 and on the right side we have for the full year. So, to take up from what Prashant had said, 2021 order intake was low because in the initial part of the year we had the issue of COVID and then there were certain restrictions on imports and also there was some ambiguity on the categorization of the plants, which affected the FGD ordering. So, these were the reasons, but then going forward quarter 4, I would say things were really improving. These three factors were no longer affecting, but then we had this issue about the sudden surge in the commodity pricing, which customers were ready to place orders, but then because of the surge in pricing, cost, there was a delay, but having said that, we really feel things are getting better now. We are already seeing improved ordering from qua
Yogesh Gupta
Thank you, Vinit. Good afternoon everyone. I will take you through the Revenue slide, which is slide #9. If we see on the left side of the slide, it is Q4 revenue numbers compared with the Q4 revenue numbers of the last year. From Rs. 9.3 billion revenue in 2021 quarter 4, we have come down by Rs. 3.6 billion to Rs. 5.9 billion in the current year Q4. The primary reason for this is as explained by Prashant like the COVID challenges, labor availability at site and the supplier delays, and another factor that had contributed to the lower revenue has been the lower order intake in the last 2 years. The FGD contribution, which used to be in the range of about 50%+ has come down to around 40% in current year. So, these are the main reasons for our revenue in this quarter going down. And if we look at on the right side, the revenue for the full year 2021- 22, has come down by Rs. 7.2 billion, which is almost 22%. The prime reasons are same as we have seen for the quarter 4 and they have been
Brian Selby
Thank you and good afternoon. Very quickly on Subansiri, as we all know, this project was restarted back in January 2021 after not literally being ground to a halt since 2011. So, over 10 years of non-activity, a substantial amount of work requiring deep inventory of equipment was still in working condition and what needed to be replaced and then of course, shortly a couple of months after restart, COVID hit, put a major impact on availability of labor and resources and the team has been just very focused on ensuring that we are trying to minimize the additional costs that are required to complete the project while managing through and dealing with the customers' expectations on the schedule. So, we have been pursuing multiple avenues and work streams in order to try to ensure that we are minimizing the cost impact, dealing with the replacement material inflation and cost of labor availability at the site, all trying to minimize the impact on the margin while at the same time having di
Raj Raman
Thanks, Brian. On the FGD execution, GEPIL continues to be the frontrunner on the milestones. Now, this is something very critical for our customers as you would imagine. These are requirements on the SOx emissions where there is the norms, which we need to meet and NTPC, one of our primary customers, is racing against time there. So, your Company continues to be leading in terms of the milestone completion. However, let me not dilute the fact that the multiple COVID waves and the unprecedented monsoon, which we saw last year did impact the supply chain and also the workforce availability at various sites. The team continues to work with various options and work through to mitigate this and wrap up and deliver on the milestones. This was further compounded by the inflationary impact, which we have seen in the later part of the year in 2021. Coming back, what we are doing, we definitely have created a lot of rigor around our claims towards customers and typically all these contracts, th
Prashant Jain
So, what I would summarize is that yes, it was a tough year with COVID and inflationary pressure and the challenge was due to the lower volume. We continue to be robust on the services year-on-year growth as we have been transitioning towards a better business mix and this part of the strategy is on track. The execution challenges are a reflection of the external environment and there is an improvement action and claims towards the end of the project and as we transition from a large boiler portfolio towards an emission and services portfolio, we are continuing to right size the Company to meet to the changing market dynamics. What we are for sure facing is the lower order volume and for that, there is a robust pipeline where we have Rs. 4,000 crores worth of projects in the pipeline and services of about Rs. 1,500 crores worth of opportunity that the team and the Company is attempting to close into order intake shortly so that we are back on track with the volume and revenue. So, that
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