BELNSEQ1 FY2023July 21, 2022

Bharat Electronics Limited

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Management on call
Renu Baid
IIFL Securities Limited
Dinesh Batra
Director (Finance) -Bharat
Damodar Bhattad
General Manager
Sreenivas
Company Secretary- Bharat
Key numbers — 40 extracted
3064 Crore
eased to BHMAT£L£CrfiON/CS share about our Q1 performance. In the Q1 we have clocked turnover of 3064 Crores, which is a growth of 95% Y-o-Y, our profit before tax is at 578 Crores and profit after tax at 4
95%
about our Q1 performance. In the Q1 we have clocked turnover of 3064 Crores, which is a growth of 95% Y-o-Y, our profit before tax is at 578 Crores and profit after tax at 431 Crores and with these f
578 Crore
have clocked turnover of 3064 Crores, which is a growth of 95% Y-o-Y, our profit before tax is at 578 Crores and profit after tax at 431 Crores and with these figures we are maintaining our guidance of 15%
431 Crore
es, which is a growth of 95% Y-o-Y, our profit before tax is at 578 Crores and profit after tax at 431 Crores and with these figures we are maintaining our guidance of 15% growth on the annual basis FY 2022-
15%
ores and profit after tax at 431 Crores and with these figures we are maintaining our guidance of 15% growth on the annual basis FY 2022-23 and our EBITDA which we told from 21% to 23% and we are quit
21%
ining our guidance of 15% growth on the annual basis FY 2022-23 and our EBITDA which we told from 21% to 23% and we are quite hopeful of maintaining it around 23%. Our material consumption in the Q1
23%
ur guidance of 15% growth on the annual basis FY 2022-23 and our EBITDA which we told from 21% to 23% and we are quite hopeful of maintaining it around 23%. Our material consumption in the Q1 has com
61.95%
e quite hopeful of maintaining it around 23%. Our material consumption in the Q1 has come down to 61.95% from 64.95% from the corresponding quarter of previous year which is 3% down and which indicates
64.95%
ful of maintaining it around 23%. Our material consumption in the Q1 has come down to 61.95% from 64.95% from the corresponding quarter of previous year which is 3% down and which indicates what we told
3%
e Q1 has come down to 61.95% from 64.95% from the corresponding quarter of previous year which is 3% down and which indicates what we told that our attention is on the material consumption and we ar
200 BPS
hat we told that our attention is on the material consumption and we are quite hopeful to bring it 200 BPS points from the previous year which was at around 60% for the complete year and this year we are
60%
on and we are quite hopeful to bring it 200 BPS points from the previous year which was at around 60% for the complete year and this year we are quite hopeful to bring it down to 58 around. Our emplo
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Guidance — 20 items
Ankur Sharma
opening
BHARATRFCmON/CS Anandi Ramalingam: Yes we are still retaining the guidance of 18 to 19; in fact we are hoping that we will be able to touch 20000 Crores of order equation this year.
Ankur Sharma
opening
From civil side also some 500 Crores will be there minimum of 500 Crores this will still be maintained, so over and above the base whatever is the major order I have just listed above.
Amit Bhinde
opening
Anandi Ramalingam: No, it is not that see as I told you for the remaining projects also clear commitment we have not got as far as the semiconductors are concerned so wherever the semiconductor commitments have been received by us based on that we are giving a guidance of 15%.
Amit Bhinde
opening
Anandi Ramalingam: Yes it will be difficult for us to tell.
Amit Bhinde
opening
See finally even if we get the commitment we need to see whether we have the capacity, we have the SDUS which we will be able to handle them , so all these issues will be discussed as and when it comes through but there is a possibility that it can go up if all these issues are resolved but we also do not want to give some commitment or something which we are not very sure of.
Amit Bhinde
opening
Dinesh Batra: As you said 17900 around but we will be able to clock some 15% will be coming from the civil segment.
Dinesh Batra
opening
Today what I am saying out of 18000 Crores around the 15% will be coming in this year from the civil segment.
Dinesh Batra
qa
Palasamudram there was an issue of certain limitations being put up by the authority as they had brought it under the red zone and certain clarifications, etc., were required so those things discussions are going on and I am quite hopeful that now our building plans, etc., will be finalized after getting the clarification from the Andhra Pradesh Industrial Authorities and all other projects are underway, whatever capex we had planned.
Harshit Patel
qa
Initially do not know the number that we take right now they may go in for some 60% of imported or 50% of indigenous that is not yet finalized the proportion is not yet finalized, the ratio is not finalized so post which we will be able to give you a firm indication of our contribution to LCA Mark 1A.
Abhijit Mitra
qa
Anandi Ramalingam: Completely it will be produced in India.
Risks & concerns — 2 flagged
Anandi Ramalingam: Yes it will be difficult for us to tell.
Amit Bhinde
18000 Crores get executed so it will be standing around Rs.60000 Crores next year and that will get again executed next two to three to four years so it is a dynamic thing it is very difficult to say that the whole thing will get executed.
Dinesh Batra
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Q&A — 4 exchanges
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Any update on the Rudra radar on the development side? Anandi Ramalingam: Rudra radar already CNC is on it is likely to be concluded shortly. It is a very clean case and it is under the approval or . Raksha Mantri only so another 2 to 3 months I think we should be getting that order.
Nitin Arora
So it will come this year or FY2024? Anandi Ramalingam: This year. Dinesh Batra: Both will come this year. Anandi Ramalingam: Both will come. BHARATElFCrftON/CS QUALITY. TECHNOLOGY. INNOVATION Thank you so much. All the best.
Q
Hi Sir. Thank you very much for the opportunity. My first question would be on our capex plan could you give us an update on the capex that we were doing at multiple locations like Palasamudram, Nimmaluru, Nagpur what is the status, when we be commercialized and what would be our overall capex outlook for the next two years?
Dinesh Batra
What all projects you told these all were part of our around 3000 Crores of capex which we had planned and out of which some 2000 Crores has already happened and Nimmaluru is very nearing completion this year I am very hopeful it will get completed. Nagpur land has been acquired and now the perimeter wall the construction is on. Palasamudram there was an issue of certain limitations being put up by the authority as they had brought it under the red zone and certain clarifications, etc., were required so those things discussions are going on and I am quite hopeful that now our building plans, e
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Thanks for taking my question. The question is more on the possible order that you see from the rotary wing platforms of HAL over the next couple of years what can the potential order intake be and just to understand the radar warning receiver and the MOSS in Tejas Mark 1 will that come to BEL or will it come to India as a competitive tender or what is your view on that? Anandi Ramalingam: As I was mentioning earlier right now it is well imported source which HAL is getting as far as EW suite is concerned but parallelly we are developing G-8 and HAL has also been told that they should stop imp
Abhijit Mitra
Just to add a followup here because you have got interestingly the RWR and the MOSS, order of C295 right so those are also for the back ended production in India or? Anandi Ramalingam: Pardon. Abhijit Mitra: The second batch would be produced in India? Anandi Ramalingam: Completely it will be produced in India. You are telling about the aircraft or? Page 18 of26 BHARATEIFCTRON/CS Abhijit Mitra: C295 aircrafts yes because the first batch will be flown in and the second batch will be produced here so all this is for the second batch? Anandi Ramalingam: Pardon. Abhijit Mitra: This order of C295 i
Q
Well on behalf of IIFL Securities I would like to thank the management of Bharat Electronics for giving us this opportunity to host the call. Madam and Sir would you like to make any closing comments before we close this call closing remarks. Anandi Ramalingam: We maintain the guidance of 15% growth in revenue and about 21% to 23% of EBITDA margin and an order intake of minimum of Rs.20000 Crores.
Management
Speaking time
Moderator
6
Dinesh Batra
5
Amit Bhinde
5
Nitin Arora
3
Harshit Patel
3
Ankur Sharma
2
Abhijit Mitra
2
Venkatesh
2
Renu Baid
1
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Opening remarks
Ankur Sharma
Okay perfect. That is good to know. Madam second question would be on the order inflows. Clearly Q1 obviously has always been a weakest quarter the first half normally is a weakest quarter for us and it has always been more of a second half when we see a substantial pickup in ordering so if you could just highlight the mix of orders which you expect to book this year both the larger size and the regular radars and the smaller size, the optronics and the communication devices, etc., so just some colour there, which are some of the larger projects and some medium size projects which you think could come our way to kind of help us get to that 18000 to 19000 Crores number which we are targeting for this year? BHARATRFCmON/CS Anandi Ramalingam: Yes we are still retaining the guidance of 18 to 19; in fact we are hoping that we will be able to touch 20000 Crores of order equation this year. As of now I think around 850 Crores has been acquired by us and the major projects which we are likely
Ankur Sharma
Great. Just a last question. We see a big jump in other income so just trying to understand what is driving that jump is it more because of higher cash balances and therefore if you could also help us on the debtor and the receivable position itself on the balance sheet that is all from my side?
Dinesh Batra
You are very right we have higher cash balances so the interest income has gone up and now as interest rates are also firming up so we are getting good returns, also in my opening remark I told this Q1 we have received 78 Crores of special dividend from our associate company GEBE so these two are the reasons for the higher other income.
Amit Bhinde
Let me Sir ask you differently if I look at the 15% growth it implies only 6% growth for the balance 9 months of the three quarters of the year remaining so is that number suggesting some issue on the backlog some slow moving orders there? Anandi Ramalingam: No, it is not that see as I told you for the remaining projects also clear commitment we have not got as far as the semiconductors are concerned so wherever the semiconductor commitments have been received by us based on that we are giving a guidance of 15%.
Amit Bhinde
So that is what I was asking if you receive the commitment what could be the run rate could it be 20%, could it be 25%? Anandi Ramalingam: Yes it will be difficult for us to tell. See finally even if we get the commitment we need to see whether we have the capacity, we have the SDUS which we will be able to handle them , so all these issues will be discussed as and when it comes through but there is a possibility that it can go up if all these issues are resolved but we also do not want to give some commitment or something which we are not very sure of. Amit Bhinde: I was just asking what could be the civil revenue growth for the year? Dinesh Batra: As you said 17900 around but we will be able to clock some 15% will be coming from the civil segment.
Amit Bhinde
15% of revenue would be civil, so it would be a growth of 20%? BHARAT£l£Cr#ON/CS QUALITY. TECHNOLOGY. INNOVATION
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