CAMSNSEAugust 08, 2022

Computer Age Management Services Limited

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Management on call
Anuj Kumar
MANAGING DIRECTOR, COMPUTER AGE
Ram Charan Sesharaman
CFO, COMPUTER AGE MANAGEMENT SERVICES LIMITED MANAGEMENT SERVICES LIMITED
Anish Sawlani
HEAD INVESTOR RELATIONS, COMPUTER AGE MANAGEMENT SERVICES LIMITED
Key numbers — 40 extracted
37,000 crore
c here, gross and net equity inflows for us remained buoyant. Our net equity inflows, showed up at 37,000 crore so, which is a remarkable number given the quarter. Given this, equity assets actually grew despit
2.6%
s actually grew despite the headwinds in the stock market, equity AUM , actually grew, and grew by 2.6%. SIP inflows remain consistent in the quarter, remained over 20,000 crore. And you know that, that
20,000 crore
AUM , actually grew, and grew by 2.6%. SIP inflows remain consistent in the quarter, remained over 20,000 crore. And you know that, that number has perhaps been expanding for the last five or six trailing quart
36.5 lakh
seen in the context of the previous quarter, in context of 4Q FY’20 was slightly muted. There were 36.5 lakh compared to 43 lakh in 4Q. But if you see a year-on-year trajectory, we grew handsomely. This numb
43 lakh
the previous quarter, in context of 4Q FY’20 was slightly muted. There were 36.5 lakh compared to 43 lakh in 4Q. But if you see a year-on-year trajectory, we grew handsomely. This number was 28 lakh in 1Q
28 lakh
ed to 43 lakh in 4Q. But if you see a year-on-year trajectory, we grew handsomely. This number was 28 lakh in 1Q last year and grew to 36.5 lakh during the quarter. So, year-on-year, a strong increase. O
1.6%
trong increase. Overall AUM , despite the growth in equity AUM contracted a little, contracted by 1.6%, largely led by what was happening to bond prices, interest rates, and therefore debt and liquid
30%
t rates, and therefore debt and liquid assets. Amongst the other businesses, our AIF business grew 30% year-on-year on the back of sustained signings. And we expect it is poised to have a similar run o
20%
enda forward on M FCentral, as you're aware. Our payments business also grew revenue year-to-year, 20% riding on the back of new customer acquisition. So, that is our overall commentary on how the key
69%
t sales and SIP registrations, improved quarter-on-quarter, and we retained market leadership with 69% share. In the alternative services market, we continued the growth trajectory, like I said, record
10%
pilot phase. I think the important thing is that within a short span of time, we've achieved over 10% share in eNPS sales. Like, you know, this is direct to consumer purchase mostly by people by payi
5.25 million
so, we'll talk a little about that further. And amongst our other digital assets, myCAM S crossed 5.25 million user base, and continues to retain its position of the largest M F app in the country. In insura
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Guidance — 20 items
Anuj Kumar
opening
And we expect it is poised to have a similar run over the next 12 months to grow 30% year-on-year in revenue.
Ram Charan S esharaman
opening
So, there will be naturally some de-growth in the first quarter.
Ram Charan S esharaman
opening
On the incremental spend that we have done on salaries and other software expenses, more than 35 percentage will be the amount that we have spent only on technology resources, only on platform building out.
Ram Charan S esharaman
opening
And also from a platform build perspective where there will be some cost that we incur up front.
Ram Charan S esharaman
opening
And Anuj spoke about the various platforms that we're building out in the earlier slides, where there is this M FCentral, there is this AA and TSP which actually will have a good revenue potential going forward, but this is upfront investments that we continue to make by getting high-cost technology resources.
Ram Charan S esharaman
opening
That's consistent with our earlier commentary, where we said that, in, in the event of the assets not growing too much, we expect our EBITDA to be just below 40 percentage.
Ram Charan S esharaman
qa
Going forward, we don't see an additional impact because of any salary increases or any such onetime impact that we get.
Ram Charan S esharaman
qa
Which is for example, if you have say, 10 today and 20 tomorrow, and then come back to 15, but by the next quarter, we will have to get 20x2, 40 capacity provision in the entire system, which is not only from storage perspective, it’s also from a compute perspective, from a transmission perspective, everything that we will need to invest in CapEx.
Ram Charan S esharaman
qa
But we don't expect the volume of investment s in CapEx that we made last year will get repeated every year.
Ram Charan S esharaman
qa
So, we don't see this level of investments on a year-on-year basis, although there will be significant investments that we will continue to make.
Risks & concerns — 13 flagged
Overall assets, like I said, saw a marginal of decline of 1.6%.
Anuj Kumar
So, the impact of this is from a mixed perspective, we are having a favorable impact as you know, equity is the higher yielding asset of the entire mix.
Ram Charan S esharaman
But because of the favorable impact of the mix, which is the equity has grown around 35% year-on-year, we are seeing that the asset-based revenue is outpacing the growth in AUM for this quarter.
Ram Charan S esharaman
It is consistent with the commentary that we have been giving earlier in terms of the mix of, impact of the mix.
Ram Charan S esharaman
Again, the favorable impact of mix is playing out here.
Ram Charan S esharaman
If you remember, the same quarter last year, there was this impact of COVID that was playing out in the markets and in terms of front office transactions.
Ram Charan S esharaman
But the investments in technology resources, in platform building out, and in the non-cash charge, as well as the increment, that is a function of the market to retain these resources, it’s having a drag on the profitability.
Ram Charan S esharaman
And second part of that equation is yields front wherein the mutual fund companies, AM C, we've seen that there is pressure on each which is mounting every quarter for them.
Ram Charan S esharaman
Even in this quarter among all the listed players, except for one of the companies, saw a decline in yields Is there an incremental pressure coming to you guys for reducing your fee?
Ram Charan S esharaman
M y last question is on the non-M F business, what explains the decline in this topic sequentially?
Prayesh Jain
I'm on the non-M F business has seen a decline in share as well as in absolute quantum if we back calculate it from the overall revenues.
Prayesh Jain
So, what explains the sequential decline in the non-M F revenue?
Prayesh Jain
So, do you see these players coming in would impact our business or would increase the competitive pressure?
Anuj Kumar
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Q&A — 2 exchanges
Q
We take the first question from the line of Anand from WhiteOak. Please go ahead, sir, Thank you for the opportunity. In terms of the investments that we are making, do you see the entire impact has come in the current quarter or we can see incrementally more impact as well in the coming quarters? So for example, the salary increase 20 crore, is there more salary, absolute salary increases that are going to come due to additional hiring that might have happened in maybe last month of the quarter or something like that? So, Anand, to answer your question, it's not expected that that will happen
Anand
Yes. No, no, that surely answers. And broadly, on the fixed investments, like our depreciation is also higher. So, from fixed investment perspective, can you give us some color? Are there any specific investment needed in rest of the year? Sure. So, you are right. See, from an investment perspective, there is a lot of requirement from RTA perspective, from a SEBI regulated perspective also that there is an investment that we need on assets, on storage, on servers, on compute, etcetera. So, if you see the last year was probably a record here in which the amount of investments that we made on Ca
Q
Thanks, Seema. So, we thank you for your interest and participation in this call and you hope you continue to follow our progress and our journey. Please do reach out to Orient Capital or Anish Sawlani for any questions that you may have or follow up that you may have. And thank you for your time here. Thanks.
Anuj Kumar
Thanks. Thanks everyone. Thank you.
Speaking time
Ram Charan S esharaman
11
Prayesh Jain
7
Anuj Kumar
6
Operator
3
Anand
3
Madhukar Ladha
3
Kaushik Agarwal
1
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Opening remarks
Anuj Kumar
Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Computer Age M anagement Services Limited Q1 FY’23 Results Conference Call hosted by Orient Capital. Today we have with us on the call, M r. Anuj Kumar, M anaging Director, M r. Ram Charan, CFO, M r. Anish Sawlani, Head Investor Relations. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after t he presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing “*” then “0” on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to M r. Anuj Kumar, M anaging Director for his opening remarks. Thank you and over to you, sir. Hi, thank you, Seema and good morning, everyone. Welcome to this earnings call of CAM S. I will quickly give you a broad overview of how the quarter panned out, and then we will take you through a more structured presentation, some of you
Ram Charan S esharaman
Thank you, Anuj. So, I will just spend the next five minutes giving a flavor of the numbers, the profits, the revenue numbers, and the AUM numbers. As you heard, Anuj say, during the year, the – during the quarter, the AUM for Q1 had grown sequentially, had grown year-on-year around 13.8% and there was a smart growth in the equity funds at 35%. On a quarter-on- quarter basis, there was a small de-growth of 1.6%, but the equity still grew at around 2.6%. So, the impact of this is from a mixed perspective, we are having a favorable impact as you know, equity is the higher yielding asset of the entire mix. And hence, you would see from a yield perspective, there is some benefit that we are getting from this. From a revenue, for the year, for the quarter, we actually had a revenue of 236 crore, which was up 17.5% year-on-year. The comparable revenue was 201 crore in the last year first quarter. And sequentially, it was down at 2.8%. If you actually break it down into asset based and non-as
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