CHAMBLFERTNSEQ1 FY23August 1, 2022

Chambal Fertilizers & Chemicals Limited

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Management on call
Gaurav Mathur
Managing Director, Mr. Abhay Baijal, CFO,
Key numbers — 30 extracted
rs,
tating the numbers in my opening remarks. The proactive procurement of DAP and other P&K fertilisers, and hence, the good inventories, which we had at the beginning of the quarter, enabled us to regis
Rs. 5,500
rter. Okay. Fine, sir. And regards the subsidies levels that has gone up, sequentially let's say Rs. 5,500 odd crores. Can you give a sense, the split between the subsidy debtors that has gone up because of
Rs. 3,400 crore
sk Anuj to give you the details on that. Anuj? Anuj Jain: Surya Patra: You see, urea is about Rs. 3,400 crores and P&K fertilisers is about Rs. 1,300 crores, so total is about Rs. 5,485 crores. So, urea is, i
Rs. 1,300 crore
Anuj Jain: Surya Patra: You see, urea is about Rs. 3,400 crores and P&K fertilisers is about Rs. 1,300 crores, so total is about Rs. 5,485 crores. So, urea is, it includes escalation. It is majorly on accoun
Rs. 5,485 crore
e, urea is about Rs. 3,400 crores and P&K fertilisers is about Rs. 1,300 crores, so total is about Rs. 5,485 crores. So, urea is, it includes escalation. It is majorly on account of escalation which should get cle
90%
cause turnover has gone up due to sharp increase in prices. That is the major reason. I would say 90% of the reason is accounted for from that. Of course, yes, traded product margins have undergone de
Rs. 7,200 Crore
major ratios that you are seeing in terms of the decline. That is because the turnover has gone to Rs. 7,200 Crores, profits and EBITDA remain more or less the same. Yes. So that is clearly visible, sir, but I j
1.05 Lakh
bility? So if you can give some colour to that? See, the DAP volume rise is of the order of about 1.05 Lakh metric tons and the margins have shrunk to that extent that we are still, you can understand that
64%
presentation, I think that would give you a sense. We have seen as mentioned in the presentation, 64% growth in our top line. So, you can well understand that not only the seed-to-harvest initiative,
10%
tions. Thank you. Gaurav Mathur: Yes, very good question. So, while there was this news about a 10% cut, however, we have not seen any disruption. Our plants continue to operate at full capacity. A
20 million
proposed by the government. They seem to have very big plans for it. Talking about replacing maybe 20 million tons of urea that’s sold correctly in the country in coming years. So, I mean, how do you see thi
Rs. 2,50,000 Crore
in the context of, you know, the heavy subsidy burden on the Government? People are talking about Rs. 2,50,000 Crores. So, I mean, do you, expect the flow of subsidies from the government to remain smooth, sir, acro
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Guidance — 20 items
Gaurav Mathur
opening
As we move forward, we see the prices of phosphatic fertilisers have retreated from their peak levels, and we are hopeful of softening trend in the market going forward.
Gaurav Mathur
opening
The thrust has been on improving our penetration and reach across our target markets through channel expansion, farmer demand generations, and widening of the product portfolio.
Gaurav Mathur
opening
This demand generation program, that is the seed-to-harvest program, will be continued through Rabi as well as widened in its geographical scope.
Gaurav Mathur
opening
We remain confident of our prospects going forward.
Gaurav Mathur
opening
The Ammonium Nitrate project is progressing as per plan, commercial discussions are ongoing with international vendors of repute and the statutory approval process is on track.
Gaurav Mathur
qa
So, with this sharp correction in the Sulphur prices and the indications that ammonia is also likely to see a kind of similar, so given that, any clarity or colour that you can provide for let's say next quarter, sir, because here volume is also expected to be really stronger in the subsequent quarter.
Gaurav Mathur
qa
So Surya, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, you know, we see a softening trend in the prices going forward from international suppliers and like you mentioned, Sulphur has gone down substantially, Ammonia, while it has gone down, it is steady and we have to see how it progresses going forward.
Surya Patra
qa
But overall, like I said, we expect a softening on international prices going forward.
Ashish Srivastava
qa
So, we expect similar things to replicate and in the territories identified so far.
Abhijit Akella
qa
The industry also will be in a better position to understand this.
Risks & concerns — 9 flagged
The high price of P&K fertilisers in the international market continue to pose a challenge during the first quarter of the financial year and impacted our margins.
Gaurav Mathur
Of course, yes, traded product margins have undergone decline, but that is not the reason for the major ratios that you are seeing in terms of the decline.
Gaurav Mathur
See, the DAP volume rise is of the order of about 1.05 Lakh metric tons and the margins have shrunk to that extent that we are still, you can understand that because of the high input prices and kind of market conditions which prevail, there has been a substantial decline in the DAP margin.
Gaurav Mathur
However, what we have to see, and this has to be seen across multiple seasons and multiple crops, is the overall impact of nano urea in reduction of the total urea consumption and obviously it is early days.
Abhijit Akella
So, again, you know, Vineet, these are geopolitical questions, which is very difficult to answer and, in a sense, hypothetical questions on sanctions, what is the scope of the sanctions and so on.
Gaurav Mathur
First is on this, you mentioned that on DAP and trading business, there is a pressure on margins in EBITDA per ton.
Gaurav Mathur
It means that our margins will further come under the pressure if we adjust it for interest cost.
Gaurav Mathur
Do you see that in the current scenario it makes sense to do the trading with the kind of margin under pressure?
Gaurav Mathur
See, we are operating in the market and because of the dynamic situation, I think it is difficult for us to say whether there will be further dilution in the margin or vice versa, because it's a very dynamic situation.
Gaurav Mathur
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Q&A — 3 exchanges
Q
Thanks for this opportunity, sir. First question about the IMACID, how long that was shut for the quarter, sir?
Gaurav Mathur
Sorry, you are asking about the IMACID shutdown? Yes. That was about 30–35-days annual shutdown, which they have. And that is carried out once in two years, you know, in line with most companies, so that was done in that quarter. Okay. Fine, sir. And regards the subsidies levels that has gone up, sequentially let's say Rs. 5,500 odd crores. Can you give a sense, the split between the subsidy debtors that has gone up because of urea and how much because of the P&K? Yes. I'll ask Anuj to give you the details on that. Anuj? You see, urea is about Rs. 3,400 crores and P&K fertilisers is about Rs.
Q
Thank you.
Vivek Ramakrishnan
A request to all the participants to limit their questions to three per participant. Should you have a follow up question, please re-join the queue. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shalini Vasanta, from DSP Mutual Fund. Please go ahead. Hi, this is Vivek Ramakrishnan. I’ll just have one question - In terms of gas availability, given all the international disturbances, do you see any problem going ahead, especially because there has been news item saying that there'll be some disruptions. Thank you. Yes, very good question. So, while there was this news about a 10% cut, however
Q
So, thank you for taking my question. So, sir, my first question was largely on the inventory side. So can you please give it a sense on how has been the inventory position at the end of 1Q for our company as well as for the industry? Any, any broader sense would do? Anuj, can you give a sense of that, please? You see one, in terms of the industry, we don't have the information. Earlier there was a situation where the FMS of the government was available to everybody where everybody could see the data that is no longer visible to any company. So there is no visibility of the inventory across th
Anuj Jain
I don't have readily available. We’ll just provide it shortly, trying to dig that out. Sure, sir. And the second question was pertaining to this inventory only. So, is there any sort of inventory gain component into EBITDA numbers basically as compared to March and June quarter? It is a, it is almost negligible for us. Okay. And, sir, the third question was regarding to the crop protection business. So what I can see is a 64% sort of growth during this quarter, so just wanted to have a sense on the price and the volume breakup basically on this segment. So if you see we've got a growth of 64%
Speaking time
Gaurav Mathur
39
Surya Patra
16
Abhay Baijal
5
Vidit Shah
5
Moderator
4
Falguni Dutta
3
Vivek Ramakrishnan
2
Abhijit Akella
2
Himanshu Binani
2
Ashish Srivastava
1
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Opening remarks
Gaurav Mathur
Q1 FY23 Earnings Conference Call August 04, 2022 Ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome to the Q1 FY’23 earnings conference call of Chambal Fertilisers and Chemicals Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing “*”, then “0” on your touchstone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Rishab Barar from CDR India. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Thank you. Good day, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the Chambal Fertilisers and Chemicals Q1 FY’23 Earnings Call. We have with us today Mr. Gaurav Mathur - Managing Director, Mr. Abhay Baijal, CFO, Mr. Rajveer Singh, Vice President-Legal and Company Secretary, Mr. Ashish Srivastava, Vice President - Sales & Marketing, Mr. Anand Agarwal, Vice President- Finance
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