DCBBANKNSEAugust 04, 2022

DCB Bank Limited

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Management on call
Murali M. Natrajan
MANAGING DIRECTOR
Satish Gundewar
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER,
Ajit Kumar Singh
HEAD TREASURY & FIG,
Pra Veen Kutty
HEAD RETAIL BANKING, DCB
Sridhar Seshadri
CHIEF RISK OFFICER, DCB
Key numbers — 40 extracted
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challenge for small customers. Although we are spending a lot ·of time in educating these customers, we do find the default. And if a particular customer gets into the default or what they call as ou
70%
ns were always in the range of three and a half, four times. This quarter, we have almost reached 70% coverage, let me remind you that we do granular secured lending. So, therefore, we have had a cov
45,000 crore
which is the margin of safety, which is a strength of this franchise. Our balance sheet crossed 45,000 crores, CASA crossed 10,000 crores and grew by 51% and \ we are getting the benefit of our attention
10,000 crore
y, which is a strength of this franchise. Our balance sheet crossed 45,000 crores, CASA crossed 10,000 crores and grew by 51% and \ we are getting the benefit of our attention and focus on our branches in
51%
this franchise. Our balance sheet crossed 45,000 crores, CASA crossed 10,000 crores and grew by 51% and \ we are getting the benefit of our attention and focus on our branches in savings account.
60%
benefit of our attention and focus on our branches in savings account. And that grew by more than 60%. Our advances growth is 18%, our disbursements were almost the same as the fourth quarter. We had
18%
focus on our branches in savings account. And that grew by more than 60%. Our advances growth is 18%, our disbursements were almost the same as the fourth quarter. We had lower disbursal in co-lendi
85%
well as the fourth quarter of last year. Plus we have also added a lot of frontline staff. About 85% to 88% of our total staff are facing the customer and supporting business. So, our overheads are
88%
s the fourth quarter of last year. Plus we have also added a lot of frontline staff. About 85% to 88% of our total staff are facing the customer and supporting business. So, our overheads are very li
155 crore
well on the operating profit, core fee income is doing well. Cast year we had the benefit of 154, 155 crores of Treasury income, the interest rate is not supporting that type of opportunity. This year our
30%
doing well .... CASA ratio is moving up, which is also a good sign our intention is to cross the 30% as soon as possible. NIMs, we have a five, seven basis point challenge primarily because of exces
375 basis point
that dampened the NIM a bit, but our stable NIM that we expect should be in the range of 365 to 375 basis point. In retail and SME business, which is very pure business that we do is cost do come in first. But
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Guidance — 20 items
Murali M. Natrajan
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But that is nothing to worry about our core lending, core disbursals are doing quite well and we expect that to step up further, as we have grown our branches in the last quarter as well as the fourth quarter of last year.
Murali M. Natrajan
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NIMs, we have a five, seven basis point challenge primarily because of excess liquidity which we had to maintain in the start of the quarter as the business was taking time to pick up that dampened the NIM a bit, but our stable NIM that we expect should be in the range of 365 to 375 basis point.
Murali M. Natrajan
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But as we build volume, we expect the cost to average asset as well as cost income to come down.
Murali M. Natrajan
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We also expect the slippage especially of mortgages and commercial vehicle and SME to be at the same level or below pre-COVID levels· in about two to three quarters that is what our .
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expectation is and we also expect our credit cost to be definitely lower than last year credit cost.
Mona Khetan
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So, do you expect that to normalize the here on?
Murali M. Natrajan
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So, till the time we have this product, we expect this, that customers are used to this product, they like this product, but we need to get them to have the discipline of that.
Murali M. Natrajan
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No, we will be passing on this thing we have already, 40 basis points we have already passed, 50 basis point will get passed on in August.
Rohan Mandora
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And sir the credit cost guidance of 50 to 60 basis point that is for FY23 or how are we?
Murali M. Natrajan
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On a steady state we expect credit cost to be 50 to 60 basis points.
Risks & concerns — 10 flagged
Sridhar Seshadri - our Chief Risk Officer, we have Ajit Singh - our Treasury and FI Head, we have Praveen Kutty, who is the Head of our Retail Banking.
Murali M. Natrajan
So, that is a pretty big challenge for small customers.
Murali M. Natrajan
In terms of profit after tax obviously it's a very high number last year first quarter was a difficult quarter, we had to make a lot of provisions and it was the massive very difficult second wave that we had to deal with.
Murali M. Natrajan
NIMs, we have a five, seven basis point challenge primarily because of excess liquidity which we had to maintain in the start of the quarter as the business was taking time to pick up that dampened the NIM a bit, but our stable NIM that we expect should be in the range of 365 to 375 basis point.
Murali M. Natrajan
SME utilization is a challenge always in first quarter, because they use a lot of Joans in the fourth quarter and then in the first quarter the utilization comes down and is expected to pick up.
Murali M. Natrajan
So, that you don't see as a risk to your mortgage and SME book the growth in those book?
Mona Khetan
There is no risk to the portfolio because underlying is gold loan and you can see that the recovery is pretty much in fact higher than what the slippages are.
Murali M. Natrajan
And so thirdly on the EBLR loans, do you see yourself passing on the entire rate hike to borrowers or there could be some compression in risk premium as well?
Mona Khetan
Despite competitive pressure, we understand the segment, the segment is very large, we understand our products, we have distribution, we have capabilities, and that helps us to continue to march forward on this ,· journey.
Murali M. Natrajan
But partly you see that the other thing, like if the inflation is like that, then your salary adjustments DCB BANK have to be in line with those kind of pressure.
Murali M. Natrajan
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Q&A — 8 exchanges
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So, firstly on the SME segment. So, while we are seeing healthy disbursals, you shared this data on segmental disbursals this quarter, that is not really translating to grow so what exactly is happening, is it the competitive intensity or there's more to read into it?
Murali M. Natrajan
What do you mean it is not translate into growth? So, if we look at the loan growth from a sequential perspective, its below the overall growth whereas disbursals are better than the other segments for SMEs? Yes, so we have had some decent growth in mortgages, loan against property, gold loans when ,, you disburse 100 almost 60, 70 of them get repaid. SME utilization is a challenge always in first quarter, because they use a lot of Joans in the fourth quarter and then in the first quarter the utilization comes down and is expected to pick up. One of the products that we do is that is -TReDS. T
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What was your quantum of NP A that was upgraded during the same quarter from the slippages?
Murali M. Natrajan
I don't have a number, why do we need that? Just to understand what was the slippages adjusted for the recoveries within the same quarter? Some of the slippages on gold loan would be within the quarter quite possible. Right, Second is, so what is the coverage that we are carrying on gold loan NPA? Coverage on Gold loan NP A means? Under the provision that we are carrying on the gold loan NP A? Again, I'm not understanding the reason for the question, the total coverage ratio is 69 something, including gold it is like 70, excluding gold it is about 72 odd percent, gold loan actually doesn't req
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Two question one is sort of on the clarification. So, we have mentioned that we target gross NPA to be below two and a half and net NP A below one and a half basis for FY23 or this is a slightly medium term basis?
Murali M. Natrajan
Way forward means when we are talking about a foreseeable future, three, five, six quarters like that. We don't give any guidance on particular year. So, you see that we are talking about four, five quarters like that, we are not giving any guidance or any particular specific financial ·year.If you recall, pre-COVID our NPAs were always below 2% on gross and net 1%. Now, in COVID, a lot of slippages happened and you can see that we are doing a remarkable job on recoveries and upgrade, you can't point a single bank that does almost 100% recovery and upgrades, in fact more upgrades than recoveri
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So, this is a slightly longer question. So, I would request your patience. So, if I look at last four, five quarters th_ere are slippages and there are recovery upgrades as well. So, GNPA is more or less static, during the last four, five quarters the write off of course has been miniscule. And it looks like that is also one of the reasons why your specific credit cost is also muted. This quarter if I were to calculate credit cost is around 45, 50 basis point. So, it is clearly coming because the portfolio by design or by choice is such that the write offs have not been there in the last four,
Murali M. Natrajan
Portfolio quality is not impacted by write off. Write off only reduces the gross NP A. Portfolio quality is impacted by the slippage, recovery upgrade and the consequent credit cost. Write off does not impact the credit cost. You are saying write off does not impact the credit cost? Yes, because you normally write off only 100% provided portfolio we don't write off portfolio and we write off portfolio very miniscule because we don't see showing the lower NPA by just doing write off, we have to achieve a lower NP A by recoveries a9d upgrade and if you see mortgage which is more than 50% almost
Q
My first question is on the OPEX which is up quarter-on-quarter, can you please comment on that and are they like going to be at elevated levels for this financial year?
Murali M. Natrajan
From the last quarter, or even from the third quarter of last year, we have been investing in front line like I explained it is broad based, we are investing in mortgages, we are investing in KCC, tractors, branches to support them in credit and operations. So, I expect operating cost to be high this year. But moving forward, we expect like we have guided in about four to five quarters, we expect cost income ratio to be 55% or below and also reduction in our cost to average assets. That will build our loan and deposit book.
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Sir, just a very basic question here. I have seen your cost of deposit number though, very marginally it has come down, we have re1atively lower CASA deposit percentage as compared to the system. And interbank term deposit number is close to around 13%. And we are in a rising interest rate scenarios. So, what is helping us to reduce our deposit cost?
Murali M. Natrajan
See, the deposit rate for term deposit or even for our savings rate, if you don't offer competitive rates, especially for bank of our size we will not be able to attract the right level of deposits. So, the comparable set of banks we have to always compare our deposit rates with those banks, because we are in the market competing with some of those. Now, our intention is to grow our savings deposits, we have a graded pricing on savings deposit, and we expect those to be sticky. And also what we found is that if we get a deposit of savings this month, by 12 months the deposit at least increases
Q
Maybe just one question. If you can give some update of situation of your borrowers in terms of how are they feeling in terms of the recovery in business environment?
Murali M. Natrajan
Which one? What is the general feeling of the business on the ground? The business on the ground feeling is pretty positive not much issues, like I don't think in our case meeting our balance sheet meeting 'that we have, we are finding any resistance or any issues. We had, today in our Board meeting we had invited CRISIL to come and present to us about the challenges of the economy to our management team and Board. And we got a very balanced view from this very learned and expert Dharmakirti Joshi, and his team also we ask questions around the SME, micro SME, and so on. And they also understan
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Thank you very much for all of you to login into this call. Look forward to talking to you again next quarter. Thank you.
Management
Speaking time
Murali M. Natrajan
36
Mona Khetan
11
Moderator
10
Rohan Mandora
9
Jai Mundhra
5
Renish Patel
2
Neel Mehta
2
Rakesh Kumar
2
Mahesh MB
2
Rishikesh Ojha
1
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Opening remarks
Murali M. Natrajan
Thank you. Good evening, all of you. I am speaking to you from our boardroom. We have Mr. Sridhar Seshadri - our Chief Risk Officer, we have Ajit Singh - our Treasury and FI Head, we have Praveen Kutty, who is the Head of our Retail Banking. We have Satish Gundewar, who took charge from Bharat Sampat with whom you have been interacting for many years as ChiefFinancial Officer. So, in the first five, seven minutes or so, let me give you some highlight: One of the important highlight that I would like to bring to your attention is that, we continue to be very strong in our recoveries and upgrades. In fact, upgrade is much higher than recoveries and so, it just tells you about the robustness of the portfolio, the slippages are high, primarily contributed by gold loans, gold loans are contributing to the slippage also to the upgrade for the simple reason that the Reserve Bank of India rule that came in November of 2021, where every day, the previous 90 days the customer has to be servicing
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