Home First Finance Company India Limited
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Management on call
Manoj Viswanathan
MANAGING DIRECTOR &
Nutan Gaba Patwari
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER - HOME FIRST FINANCE COMPANY INDIA LIMITED
Manish Kayal
HEAD - INVESTOR RELATIONS - HOME FIRST FINANCE COMPANY INDIA LIMITED
Key numbers — 40 extracted
INR 702
6.2%
36.3%
INR 6,275
rs,
7.6%
35.9%
4.7%
5.0%
3.3%
3.5%
1.9%
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Guidance — 20 items
Manoj Viswanathan
opening
“Physical branches will reach about 150 in 2 years.”
Manoj Viswanathan
opening
“• Over the medium term, growth will mainly come from 6 core states – Gujarat, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh & Telangana and Karnataka.”
Nutan Gaba Patwari
opening
“As guided earlier, we expect this ratio to remain in the range of 3.0%-3.2% going ahead as we focus on expansion.”
Manoj Viswanathan
qa
“A couple of years back we were at very low levels of LAP on the AUM while we were at about 6%-7% our origination was also in the range of about 6%-7% LAP contribution as a percentage of origination, which at that point also we had mentioned that this is likely to go up in the medium-term to maybe 10% to 15% and which is where we are currently, we are at about 15% on new origination and that catch up is now happening on the portfolio as well.”
Nutan Gaba Patwari
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“Coming to the branch additions, we have 101 right now, we look to get to about 150 in about eight quarters time and that will be largely gradual, for this year probably another eight or nine branches for this balance year so let us take the number of 110.”
Nutan Gaba Patwari
qa
“Coming to the overall cost we have been guiding a 3.0% to 3.2% opex to assets that is broadly where we will be for the rest of the year as well.”
Nutan Gaba Patwari
qa
“Coming to the second part which is around rates very comparable, for example if you look at HDFC Bank we will be at one-year MCLR, very comparable rates when it comes to PSU banks and private sector banks.”
Karthik Chellappa
qa
“Manoj Viswanathan: We are still cautious on LAP and we have always maintained that there will be some uptick in LAP as we increase our distribution and presence in the market and we had mentioned that we would probably reach a 15% kind of number on flow, which is where we are at this point of time but we continue to remain cautious on that product.”
Kunal Shah
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“Secondly in terms of the assignment so in terms of when we look at it as a proportion of disbursements that is coming up so what would be the stance out there would we catch up towards the second half as you highlighted in the opening commentary that demand is still there but when we look at it compared to that of last year it is still low and maybe the related income which is there in P&L how should we look at it getting into H2 and the next year?”
Nutan Gaba Patwari
qa
“Our guidance has been INR 100 Crores a quarter plus minus INR 20 Crores, so we will try and get closer to INR 100 Crores perhaps on this number.”
Risks & concerns — 11 flagged
I had a few questions, most of them were around the impact of the rising interest rates on the bounce rates, delinquencies and your spreads & margins.
— Abhijit Tibrewal
It looks like more of a customer behavior which is changing and if you also look at the 1+ DPD and the collection efficiency again, we are not seeing any impact of the bounce rate on that, it does not seem to be a phenomenon or a behavior which is because of difficulty in payment, it seems to be some other underlying change in behavior from the customer’s perspective.
— Manoj Viswanathan
Interest rate is not a big concern for customers, but there are other market forces which tend to push the interest rates, otherwise the rising interest rate phenomenon is not something that we think will affect the market.
— Manoj Viswanathan
In the past when the LAP used to be about 5% to 6% one of our stances was that we are slightly more cautious from an underwriting point of view given where the market is, given right now that on a incremental sourcing basis it is up to 15% can we say that our risk appetite and risk comfort level has improved at the margin?
— Karthik Chellappa
Manoj Viswanathan: We are still cautious on LAP and we have always maintained that there will be some uptick in LAP as we increase our distribution and presence in the market and we had mentioned that we would probably reach a 15% kind of number on flow, which is where we are at this point of time but we continue to remain cautious on that product.
— Karthik Chellappa
Less of competitive pressure on the back book, the competitive pressure is more for new originations, the way we would put it because of various players operating in the segment and various price points, this tends to be competitive pressure at the time of origination.
— Manoj Viswanathan
Yes, we have some headroom like you said in LAP and even in terms of a distribution because we are entering smaller markets, etc., some headroom is there but yes, we will have to balance that competitive pressure in the market and maintain our growth we’ll have to see how it plays out plus we also have the co-lending and so on, we are trying to balance all the tools that we have at our disposal to maintain our growth.
— Manoj Viswanathan
Lastly, on the AUM growth we have guided for about broadly 30% of growth for the next three years but just in the near-term in case interest rates continue to rise even from current levels would we be able to kind of deliver the similar kind of growth or would there be some bit of slowdown in the near-term?
— Franklin Moraes
I know in the past you have talked about some measures that you have taken in the form of giving ESOPs earlier and so on and so forth any other initiatives that you have in mind to improve this because I think this is also putting some pressure on your wage costs?
— Karthik Chellappa
No, I am not sure about wage cost because this would be largely attritions which happened within first year so there would not be really any difference in the wages it would probably put pressure on just the hiring cost because you have to hire more people and so on, but at this RM level it is difficult for us to provide ESOPs.
— Manoj Viswanathan
Just one question we have invested heavily in the distribution capacity and we see the impact of that on the P&L with opex going up by about INR 12 Crores via YoY how does this translate into the disbursals and the demand with we have moved up to about INR 515 Crores in same time last year to about INR 700 Crores is this a bit low as compared to the competition and where do we see this going in H2?
— Siddharth Jain
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Opening remarks
Manish Kayal
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I hope that all of you and your families are safe and healthy. I am Manish Kayal and I look after Investor Relations for HomeFirst Finance. I extend a very warm welcome to all participants on our Q2 FY23 financial results concall. As usual, management is represented by our MD & CEO, Mr. Manoj Viswanathan, and CFO Ms. Nutan Gaba Patwari. I hope everybody had an opportunity to go through our investor deck and press release uploaded on exchanges and our website yesterday. We will start this call with an opening remark by Manoj and Nutan and will then have a Q&A session. With this introduction, I handover the call to Manoj. Over to you Manoj!
Manoj Viswanathan
Thank you, Manish. Good afternoon, everyone. I am pleased to showcase the strong business momentum that we are seeing in our business. Talking about Q2 financial performance, the momentum is continuing on disbursals. • We disbursed INR 702 Crs in Q2 which is our highest till date, with a growth of 6.2% on q-o-q basis and 36.3% on y-o-y basis. • AUM at INR 6,275 Crs, grew by 7.6% on q-o-q and 35.9% on y-o-y basis. • Portfolio health has improved further. a. 1+ DPD reduced to 4.7% from 5.0% and 30+ DPD reduced to 3.3% from 3.5%. b. GNPA reduced to 1.9% from 2.1%. c. Profit After Tax at INR 54 Crs saw a growth of 25.9% on y-o-y basis. d. ROE improved by 30 bps to 13.1% over Q1FY23. We will now focus on some of the key drivers and metrics of the business. Technology • During this quarter, digital adoption has further improved. Usage of the customer app for various activities has increased. 87% of our customers are registered on our app as of Sept'22 compared to 84% in Jun'22 and Unique Use
Nutan Gaba Patwari
Good morning, all. I will take you through the performance in Q2FY23. Starting with financials we continue to stay focused on our key operating matrices with an intention to deliver mid teen ROE in a couple of years. • Our Net Interest Margin is stable at 6.5% even in the increasing interest rate environment. Spreads have stayed flat as we increased our yield by 25bps effective 1st July and increase in book cost of borrowing has been on similar lines. • Net Interest Income has gone up by 51.3% on YOY basis and 9.8% on QOQ basis. • We did direct assignment of Rs 69 Crs during the quarter as a liquidity strategy. We continue to have a robust demand for our portfolio of assets. • Opex to Assets stands at 3.1% for the quarter. As guided earlier, we expect this ratio to remain in the range of 3.0%-3.2% going ahead as we focus on expansion. • Cost to income at 37.4% in Q2FY23, increase of 160bps on qoq basis. • Q2FY23 PPOP stands at Rs 74 Crs, growth of 6.0% on qoq and 24.3% on yoy basis. •
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