GVPILNSEQ2 FY2023November 14, 2022

GE Power India Limited

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Management on call
Prashant Jain
MANAGING DIRECTOR – GE POWER INDIA LIMITED
Yogesh Gupta
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER &
Vinit Pant
CHIEF COMMERCIAL OFFICER – GE POWER INDIA LIMITED
Raj Raman
EXECUTIVE - PROJECTS PORTFOLIO
Venkatesh Rao
GE POWER INDIA LIMITED
Raj Raman Our Executive
Projects Portfolio, Mr. Venkatesh Rao
Key numbers — 40 extracted
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m inflation another major concern is rise in global carbon dioxide emissions. COP27 has predicted 1% increase in CO2 emissions with India’s growth projected at 6% for 2022. After the pandemic the fo
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xide emissions. COP27 has predicted 1% increase in CO2 emissions with India’s growth projected at 6% for 2022. After the pandemic the fossil fuel consumption has grown with major spikes seen in co
8 gigawatt
meet the peak demand. Though the pace of growth of renewable capacities is high with almost 7 to 8 gigawatt of capacity addition it is not able to meet the peak demand especially with LNG prices rising glo
11.9%
a reflects significance of thermal power plants. The overall power generation in India has surged 11.9% from a year ago and coal based generation was up 12.8%, so that is the general scenario and the m
12.8%
erall power generation in India has surged 11.9% from a year ago and coal based generation was up 12.8%, so that is the general scenario and the market we are seeing. I would hand over to Vinit to give
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ices, and to have a right mix of EP and EPC projects, and also grow industrial and private customers, so we have achieved success on all these three pillars in this quarter which you will see in the t
47%
top part of the slide. We have a significant order this quarter for FGD, so still services is at 47% in the order mix. EPC versus non-EPC we have 100% we have done non-EPC project which is again ali
100%
er this quarter for FGD, so still services is at 47% in the order mix. EPC versus non-EPC we have 100% we have done non-EPC project which is again aligned with our strategy and we have a higher intake
82%
s again aligned with our strategy and we have a higher intake of private and industrial orders at 82%. So on these three counts we are aligned to our strategy in this quarter. As far as orders are co
2.5x
As far as orders are concerned again it has been a good quarter, our order intake has gone up to 2.5x times of what we achieved in the same quarter last year. I will talk about the FGD order which we
Rs.1.31 billion
GD order which we have got this quarter from Adani this is for that Udupi project, value is about Rs.1.31 billion, so again this order is perfectly aligned with our strategy where we want to focus on cash accr
42%
this quarter for FGD. Also I would like to point out that for services again our orders are up 42% if we compare with the same quarter last year and we also have improved profitability of orders.
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Guidance — 20 items
Vinit Pant
opening
EPC versus non-EPC we have 100% we have done non-EPC project which is again aligned with our strategy and we have a higher intake of private and industrial orders at 82%.
Vinit Pant
opening
I will talk about the FGD order which we have got this quarter from Adani this is for that Udupi project, value is about Rs.1.31 billion, so again this order is perfectly aligned with our strategy where we want to focus on cash accretive deals, which gives us good margins and positive cash flows so this is perfectly aligned with that strategy and this is a significant order for us which we have booked in this quarter for FGD.
Vinit Pant
opening
Overall we have a very robust pipeline of active opportunities both for FGD and services going forward and we think we should really build up on this going forward.
Yogesh Gupta
opening
This came primarily due to lower volume, project cost escalations, inflation and execution challenges at site and Solapur fire incident which required a provision of Rs.78.7 Crores.
Raj Raman
opening
This drives one important aspect around the payment terms which are in the current part of the portfolio of NTPC which is we are executing at this point of time where the payment terms are back loaded and they kind of come to us in the latter part of the cycle of project cycle.
Raj Raman
opening
I want to also highlight one key accomplishment which we had in terms of the Unchahar project the completion of Facilities which we achieved in the month of August and this has been a major accomplishment for the customer as well as for your teams in this quarter.
Raj Raman
opening
Going forward our focus will continue to see that we don’t have anymore margin degradation at this point of time on this GE portfolio, complete the milestones on a continuous basis and complete the performance guarantee test for the Unchahar stage 4.
Prashant Jain
opening
We are right sizing the factory and in this November to December quarter we will be launching and executing upon the VRS scheme for the workers and that is for the contract workforce and that part is in continuation with strategy to right size the factory for them that we see going forward.
Prashant Jain
opening
Operation challenges that we have gotten control, continue to focus on yields and last but not the least right size Durgapur to ensure we are able to have the right size of the operations as we move into the next year.
Raj Raman
qa
Prashant said that we take the cost update so that we do not anticipate cost escalations and see more stability going forward overall.
Risks & concerns — 7 flagged
The global economy is going through a turbulent time as economists across the world are predicting recession following significant consumer demand slowdown.
Prashant Jain
Apart from inflation another major concern is rise in global carbon dioxide emissions.
Prashant Jain
We will provide the boiler pressure parts to the EPC partners to be able to serve the end customers so directly as an EPC we would not participate in the new built but we will possibly provide technology support to the existing EPC partner.
Prashant Jain
It is a short cycle business so the parts repairs are typically 6 to 8 months cash conversion and margin conversion and upgrades are the long-term projects which take about a year, year-and-a- half, maybe two years to execute but majority of the backlog is from core services business, parts, repairs and services and most of these projects we are able to pass the inflation to the customer so we do not see the inflationary risk affecting the service margins.
Prashant Jain
Factory in Durgapur is fully self sufficient to supply the pressure parts to the industry for any need for boiler, so from that point of view there again we are self sufficient.
Prashant Jain
I have answered that we will not be in EPC, in the middle space we have not done in the past so we will continue to support the EPC partner in the market and we will supply the key components in the pressure parts which we were doing earlier to our partners.
Prashant Jain
This is what we will do then some partner needing EPC and we will supply the pressure parts to them.
Prashant Jain
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Q&A — 8 exchanges
Q
Sir a very good evening. Sir I could not see this kind of disclosure in your website for our company?
Prashant Jain
Mr. Ramesh I think the voice is not clear if you could repeat the question. The orders that we have booked in the quarter we are disclosing and we have announced that today. Have you disclosed your orders this Adani power order? Yes it is in the list that you see. It is what you see in the page as well which Vinit explained yes. Yes I could see in PPT but not in GE website. I have gone through the GE website and I could not see like when you have disclosed this particular order. In my view, this was not crossing the materiality threshold by itself so there is no obligation to disclose but, nev
Q
Sir we have seen a good order win for FGD in this quarter by when can we see this translating into revenue for the company?
Prashant Jain
So this is a short term cycle order typically the first three to four months is a very low activity which is largely engineering and then the fourth and five month onwards the supply starts so we will start seeing the revenue in fourth to fifth month onwards. Okay and can we say we have reached the top of the cost escalation matrix or do you see a more upside on the cost side for services and FGD business? Can you repeat the question Ms. Hina. So we say that we have reached the top of the cost escalation matrix or like do you see a more upside on the cost side for services and FGD business? So
Q
How do you see India postponing your coal phase out?
Prashant Jain
Look in my view the government has not been adding new coal projects in the last three to four years but this year we are seeing already projects are being awarded for new coal-fired power plants. In the earlier projections the coal power electricity in 2021-22 is in the range of 72%, which translates into roughly 800 to 900 million metric tonnes of coal consumption for electricity generation. As per the CEA projections by 2030 assuming that renewable energy would have added 500 gigawatt capacity to the grid coal-fired power plants would still be producing 50% of electricity in 2030 and that 5
Q
Good evening Sir. Sir my first question is like since company is focusing on green energy service segment so what is the trend in the margins considering inflation factor are they sustainable?
Prashant Jain
So yes, in the service market we are able to pass the inflation to the customer. It is a short cycle business so the parts repairs are typically 6 to 8 months cash conversion and margin conversion and upgrades are the long-term projects which take about a year, year-and-a- half, maybe two years to execute but majority of the backlog is from core services business, parts, repairs and services and most of these projects we are able to pass the inflation to the customer so we do not see the inflationary risk affecting the service margins. Okay can you provide the segregation of 14.9 billion of or
Q
Any update on GE de-promoterization announcement that you can share?
Prashant Jain
So there are two parts to this one is the independent capabilities of GE Power India Limited in terms of technology transfer, developing competence and ensuring that for the markets that GE Power India Limited wants to address the company has its own technology, it has its own balance sheet and it has its own competence. On that part we have significant progress. FGD I am happy to say we are close to 100% now self sufficient and competent with the commissioning of Unchahar. We have demonstrated both in acquisition and execution GE Power India Limited is fully self competent. Second we have als
Q
Sorry Sir if I have missed your opening remarks regarding the provision for the Solapur fire incident but my question is regarding that what is the expected loss that we see after the insurance claim is settled due to this and the provision is not made under exceptional items during this quarter and where would it be made. That is one and second question is regarding going forward in the future do we expect ourselves to be competing again in the new build sector with the major competitors that we have lost business to or our focus would remain on FGD and services?
Prashant Jain
I will answer the second question first. The second question we will participate selectively I addressed this question earlier I am repeating myself. I have answered that we will not be in EPC, in the middle space we have not done in the past so we will continue to support the EPC partner in the market and we will supply the key components in the pressure parts which we were doing earlier to our partners. We will continue to support that is how we will participate in the boiler side so that is what we were doing in the past. This is what we will do then some partner needing EPC and we will sup
Q
Does the increasing investment in coal power plant bodes well for order intake as I understand roughly around 8 to 10 gigawatt of coal power plant which are under tender as of now?
Prashant Jain
Correct. Are you looking at those orders in the sense some orders from BHEL? Vinit may be you want to address. I have clarified this earlier in the call today. We will continue to support the EPC player but we will not participate as an EPC for this project so yes we want to support and we are working with the EPC players to see what scope we can get from these projects. Vinit you want to add further for the boiler process. My question was that do you think this opportunity is going to increase multifold for us? So I would say this is new development. As Prashant mentioned earlier there has be
Q
Thank you all. A very good evening and thank you team for the clarifications and thank you all for joining the call.
Management
Speaking time
Prashant Jain
23
Moderator
9
Vinit Pant
8
Aditya Shah
8
Hina Parekh
6
Yogesh Gupta
5
Tara Kaur
5
Mohit Kumar
5
Ramesh
4
Mandira S
4
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Opening remarks
Prashant Jain
Thank you. Very good evening, everyone. A warm welcome to all of you and thank you for joining us in the Q2 and first half 2022-2023 earnings call. I also welcome my team who has joined me to discuss the financial and operating performance of the company. I have Mr. Yogesh Gupta, our CFO and Whole Time Director, Mr. Vinit Pant our Chief Commercial Officer, Mr. Raj Raman our Executive - Projects Portfolio, Mr. Venkatesh Rao and my team with me. I would like to begin with a brief on the global economic situation. The global economy is going through a turbulent time as economists across the world are predicting recession following significant consumer demand slowdown. In a bid to battle the soaring inflation the central banks of major economies have raised benchmark interest rates in the last two quarters. Though these are indications of inflation cooling down following actions taken by the central banks it has impacted the consumer demand as evident from international trade data. Apart f
Vinit Pant
Thank you Prashant and good evening everyone. I will take you through the slide on the business uptake for this quarter. So I will start by saying that this has been a good quarter for us both in terms of the progress we have made on the strategy part where our focus has been on three main pillars to grow services, and to have a right mix of EP and EPC projects, and also grow industrial and private customers, so we have achieved success on all these three pillars in this quarter which you will see in the top part of the slide. We have a significant order this quarter for FGD, so still services is at 47% in the order mix. EPC versus non-EPC we have 100% we have done non-EPC project which is again aligned with our strategy and we have a higher intake of private and industrial orders at 82%. So on these three counts we are aligned to our strategy in this quarter. As far as orders are concerned again it has been a good quarter, our order intake has gone up to 2.5x times of what we achieved
Yogesh Gupta
Thank you Vinit. Good evening all and thank you very much for joining today to discuss our financial performance for Q2 of FY2022-23. The revenue for Q2 stood at Rs.427.8 Crores down from Rs.732.1 Crores in the corresponding period of last year due to lower order intake in the past few years and cost update for percentage of completion projects. Moving on to our profits, this quarter we have had a loss before tax of Rs.112.6 Crores against a profit of Rs.50.8 Crores in the corresponding period of last year. This came primarily due to lower volume, project cost escalations, inflation and execution challenges at site and Solapur fire incident which required a provision of Rs.78.7 Crores. This provision has been made and would be reversed as and when we get the insurance claim accepted and approved by the insurance company. Moving on we will look at the order intake numbers which just Vinit has shared we have received orders worth Rs.248.3 Crores against Rs.97 Crores in the corresponding
Raj Raman
Thank you Yogesh. Good evening everyone. I would like to kind of walk you through a few updates on the FGD portfolio execution status at this point of the time. From the left you will see two bar graphs which basically represent the revenues which we have so far accomplished and the cash which we have against that received and this is an important aspect which I would like to kind of take a few minutes and dwell upon. The fact being we have more than 83% revenues versus the cash which is at least 64% almost 20% points lesser than that. This drives one important aspect around the payment terms which are in the current part of the portfolio of NTPC which is we are executing at this point of time where the payment terms are back loaded and they kind of come to us in the latter part of the cycle of project cycle. This has been one major aspect around this and that plays out. I will come back on the challenges part of it. I want to also highlight one key accomplishment which we had in terms
Prashant Jain
Thank you Raj. So to summarize we are moving in the right direction of the strategy with the business mix of developing industrial customers, growing more service business like FGD and EPC projects to give us the portfolio. The second area that we wanted to touch upon was the execution lever. It is important we will continue to focus as Raj just mentioned ensuring that we deliver the operations. The third point that I wanted to highlight which we have also mentioned in the notes about Durgapur. We are right sizing the factory and in this November to December quarter we will be launching and executing upon the VRS scheme for the workers and that is for the contract workforce and that part is in continuation with strategy to right size the factory for them that we see going forward. All in all good mix and order intake we see some turnaround there. Operation challenges that we have gotten control, continue to focus on yields and last but not the least right size Durgapur to ensure we are
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