ORIENTCEMNSEQ2 FY23November 17, 2022

Orient Cement Limited

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Management on call
Deepak Khetrapal
MANAGING DIRECTOR AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ORIENT CEMENT LIMITED
Harsh Mittal
ICICI SECURITIES
Key numbers — 40 extracted
15%
name Orient Green. And why we’re calling it Orient Green is simply because this cement has about 15% less carbon footprint than the industry norms. And obviously, we are positioning it as a green ce
Rs. 45
sible you and the brand is Orient Green. Like if you remember our Strong Crete is today priced at Rs. 45 higher than our PPC. Orient Green is priced at Rs. 23 higher because some of the customers have be
Rs. 23
emember our Strong Crete is today priced at Rs. 45 higher than our PPC. Orient Green is priced at Rs. 23 higher because some of the customers have been telling us they’re finding Rs. 45 premium to be a l
70%
rated because no matter what we've tried, we still are, let’s say, significantly lower, more than 70% drop in EBITDA whether on absolute terms or per term basis. At the PBT level, we actually have go
1%
tle more detail than the numbers that you've seen so far. Our net sales, as you've seen, are down 1% Y-o-Y, and sequentially they're down 14%, I'm talking rupees of course. The volumes in this parti
14%
u've seen so far. Our net sales, as you've seen, are down 1% Y-o-Y, and sequentially they're down 14%, I'm talking rupees of course. The volumes in this particular quarter have been at 12.36 lakh ton
12.36 lakh
ey're down 14%, I'm talking rupees of course. The volumes in this particular quarter have been at 12.36 lakh tons, 1.24 million as many of would be quoting, which is nearly 3% down over last year. But if we
1.24 million
'm talking rupees of course. The volumes in this particular quarter have been at 12.36 lakh tons, 1.24 million as many of would be quoting, which is nearly 3% down over last year. But if we remember that last
3%
r quarter have been at 12.36 lakh tons, 1.24 million as many of would be quoting, which is nearly 3% down over last year. But if we remember that last year in Q2, we had sold about 24,000
1.4%
at all. So, we didn’t sell any clinker at all. So, we exclude that purely on cement, the drop is 1.4% over last year. And sequentially, the drop in our cement sales in volume is about 10%. On H1 ba
10%
he drop is 1.4% over last year. And sequentially, the drop in our cement sales in volume is about 10%. On H1 basis, on the face value, it seems that we are flat 26.37 lakh tons vis-à-vis 26.39 tons l
26.37 lakh
cement sales in volume is about 10%. On H1 basis, on the face value, it seems that we are flat 26.37 lakh tons vis-à-vis 26.39 tons last year, but again last year had 24,000 tons. So, from that perspecti
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Guidance — 20 items
Harsh Mittal
opening
Deepak Khetrapal for his opening remarks, which will be followed by an interactive Q&A session.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
And also, we take pride in the fact this migration, which typically is considered 6 to 9 months project, we did an insanely short-time of just 3.5 months, not about 3.5 months is what it took us from starting the work to going live.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
We also have done it to keep our progress on the digitalization and to become more and more a company which is driven by data and data analytics and decision making which will be largely based on the data that we have with us.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
So, we started with north Karnataka, which is as it is a little more difficult market, but it's closer to our Chitapur plant where we are producing the cement for now and we plan to roll it out.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
The other impact of heavy rains is that the larger project who have the infrastructure to continue construction despite rains, because they have more mechanized equipment, they have better labor camps, they have everything, they consumed a lot more of cement.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
With the waste heat recovery project at Chitapur which is under construction and which, as said earlier, we will be commissioning towards the end of the financial year.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
2 crore, which obviously had to be incurred when we were doing the project.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
And also in this quarter, we quite didn't expect the rains to be as heavy as they are.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
37 crore toward project debt in this quarter, total in H1 becoming Rs.
Deepak Khetrapal
opening
74 crore So, and we today, our let's say the project debt is now down to Rs.
Risks & concerns — 15 flagged
So, we started with north Karnataka, which is as it is a little more difficult market, but it's closer to our Chitapur plant where we are producing the cement for now and we plan to roll it out.
Deepak Khetrapal
The alternate fuels that we are using more and more during monsoon is very difficult to use them when they come wet.
Deepak Khetrapal
And when they come in the wet form to you, it becomes very difficult to use them.
Deepak Khetrapal
But if we remember that last year in Q2, we had sold about 24,000 tons, 25,000 ton of clinker, and this year, clinker sale was out of question because the coal supplies were so uncertain, we would never use our coal and make another cement manufacturer have our clinker at all.
Deepak Khetrapal
The other impact of heavy rains is that the larger project who have the infrastructure to continue construction despite rains, because they have more mechanized equipment, they have better labor camps, they have everything, they consumed a lot more of cement.
Deepak Khetrapal
Telangana, even today makes the renewable power a lot more difficult to use, because of the State rules as you know.
Deepak Khetrapal
But the power and fuel cost per ton is not looking as high simply because we managed to increase renewable power, we managed to increase to the extent possible, I mean we've been handicapped a little bit by availability challenge on the alternate fuels, but even then we have used alternate fuels.
Deepak Khetrapal
4 crore is impact of reversal of provisions of variable pay last year in Q2.
Deepak Khetrapal
And I’m also hoping that as this softens and I am also hearing in the last 1 week or so, the South African coal again due to lack of interest from European Union, lack of interest even let’s say from China and all, is beginning to soften.
Deepak Khetrapal
Because land acquisition has become a very difficult process for any Greenfield expansion.
Abhishek Maheshwari
It is difficult but still I’m sure, we are getting our new Greenfield capacity coming up.
Deepak Khetrapal
The challenge that we’re having is do I start matching the low prices that they are offering in the market to defend my volumes or do I defend my brand for the longer term saying, I’m not going to match their prices, I’m going to stick to my brand positioning, it’s a tossup.
Deepak Khetrapal
So, till we actually start seeing some strength, it’s very difficult to have a guess.
Deepak Khetrapal
So, if you say the realty sector goes for some kind of slowdown because of the interest rate scenario because already this is quite apparent.
Surya Naik
You have to answer that question and in previous few quarters, this quarter that is not visible, but previous quarter we’ve had some companies which sold a lot more volume and they declared a lot more, let’s say, decline in EBITDA and decline in profitability.
Deepak Khetrapal
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Q&A — 7 exchanges
Q
Sir, you have very beautifully explained about the previous quarter and its financials. Sir, could you give some feelings about H2 also, and how the Q3 is progressing because we are hearing that coal and everything is coming down price wise.
Deepak Khetrapal
So, in terms of cost prospects, it does seem that the costs are beginning to see some softening for sure. The good news that we have is that we already have gotten the ship, actually we’re just offloading our pet coke. We’ve imported 1 shipload of about 55,000 tons of pet coke, which is beginning to now reach our plant and obviously if I told you that in Q2, our cost of pet coke was about Rs. 2,500 per million kilocalorie, this ship that we bought the cost is coming to us at under Rs. 2,300, which is still much higher than what we’re traditionally used to, but that Rs. 2300 is a lot lower than
Q
I may have missed in opening remarks, but could you share what is the CAPEX timeline for by when this WHR and this Chitapur flyash unit are expected to be commissioned.
Deepak Khetrapal
I told you by the end of this financial year, both will be commissioned. Both will be commissioned, okay. And sir, on the Tiroda, what is the progress? Tiroda, unfortunately, we still have not been able to make progress there because while the environment clearance application is under process, there is one document that we need which still has not come through. But the good part at least what I can share with you that all of us have been anxious and have been sharing my own anxieties that with Adani now owning both Ambuja and ACC, that is they would still want us to put up a grinding unit and
Q
Sir, can you please tell me what has been our blended ratio this quarter and premium cement sales out of trade sale?
Deepak Khetrapal
In this quarter, yes, I forgot to give you the number, 15%, that is the highest ever. That is of premium cement. Strongcrete, only Strongcrete. Only Strongcrete, and what have been total, if you calculate total premium cement sale out of total trade sale? The other brand we launched very, very early in this month, it was not there last month, 15% premium sales. And sir, what has been our blended ratio this quarter? Oh God, how many details every time somebody will ask me a question for which I don’t have a ready answer. I will get back to you. Blended ratios are a function of your OPC/PPP mix,
Q
Sir, for Q2, what was the fuel mix blended overall?
Deepak Khetrapal
So, for Q2, the pet coke has become as high as 58% because more capacity use at Chitapur, so that’s 58%. Domestic coal has actually fallen to 28%, which used to have between 35%, 40%, that’s 28% in Q2. And as I mentioned imported coal usage also has been a lot higher because of the good quality domestic coal we just couldn’t lay our hands on. So, I think 5%, 6% of imported coal would be, that’s rough mix, balance would be AFR all put together. And sir, how many days of inventory we are holding right now? I’ve just said we bought shipload of coal for us. At Chitapur plant, it’ll be nearly 3 mon
Q
Sir, can you give us some sense on the Devapur expansion plant? When do we expect this to get completed? You indicated something about Tiroda, but can you guide something on the Devapur also, the fourth clinker line?
Deepak Khetrapal
Let me clarify, because you obviously don’t have the information that earlier I’ve been sharing. Devapur expansion is linked to Tiroda grinding unit. Unless I have the grinding unit, I already have enough clinker at Devapur to keep feeding those markets, right? So, till Tiroda construction actually starts, starting Devapur too early would only be locking up the capital without any prospective utilizing the capacity, right? So, they are interlinked, Tiroda and Devapur are interlinked. Tiroda has to start first and then immediately because Devapur has, as I said, I have land, I have environment
Q
Sir, regarding the demand scenario, what you have painted during your opening remarks, that in your catchment area, so you see a lower demand and you are in fact, craving for more of the government projects to come in to fill up the demand what you say that is currently going on. So, in that light, just want to understand why we are so much protective of the (inaudible) into non-trade sales at least to utilize more capacity to establish the markets when the newcomers are coming into our area. So, at least to have a presence felt there because unless and until we see improvement in the utilizat
Deepak Khetrapal
I am selling to non-trade; my proportion already is 45% from 39% as I mentioned. Only thing is I am not wanting to sell my product as cheap as some of the manufacturers are selling. I never said I’m not doing B2B, 45% of my total volume this quarter has been B2B. So, I am selling but I am choosing my customer carefully where my prices are good, it does not hurt my brand. There are multiple things that we have to consider. Only volumes if I want to do, I will never have a long term strategy to improve from where we are. Nowhere did I say that I am not selling to B2B, I am provided the price is
Q
Thank you, everyone. I hope I have provided enough information. I can never provide say that I am providing you all the information that all of your curiosity might have as to if I am doing S/4 HANA, how does it benefit, where did this get. Those details obviously are not fair for me to share publicly especially on these calls. But anything which enables you to assess the quality of our operations, the quality for diligence through the outcome that we’re presenting to, I am more than happy. I hope I provided you all the information. In case there is something missing, do reach out to my collea
Management
Speaking time
Deepak Khetrapal
43
Rajesh Kumar
17
Moderator
9
Surya Naik
8
Uttam Kumar
7
Abhishek Maheshwari
5
Dhiral
3
Bajrang Kumar
3
Harsh Mittal
1
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Opening remarks
Harsh Mittal
Thank you, Melissa. Good afternoon and a warm welcome to everyone. On behalf of ICICI Securities, we welcome you to the second quarter and first half of FY23 Earnings Call of Orient Cement Limited. On the call, we have with us Mr. Deepak Khetrapal – MD and CEO of the company. At this point of time, I will hand over the floor to Mr. Deepak Khetrapal for his opening remarks, which will be followed by an interactive Q&A session. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Deepak Khetrapal
Very good afternoon to everyone. And I join Harsh Mittal in extending a very warm welcome to all of you. Thank you for sparing the time, thank you for investing your time with us. And for those of you who are investing with us, even financially, thank you for investing in us and believing in us. Thank you so much. Where do I start this call, in the sense that we all know, the kind of quarter we've had. But even then, let me at least start with some of the positive things that have happened during the Q2. And I'll obviously come to the hard numbers in a minute, I won't take too long over it. But a few good things that I certainly want to point out to people who are interested in us. One, for those of you who’ve seen that in social media and all, Deloitte does run a global program called Best Managed Companies all over the world, and in India, this was the second edition. And they have a very robust process through which the Best Managed Companies are actually selected. And they take us
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