LTFNSEQ2FY2023October 31, 2022

L&T Finance Limited

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Management on call
Dinanath Dubhashi
Managing Director & CEO and other members of the senior
Key numbers — 40 extracted
58%
2022 small indicator, servicing handled through self-help channels. Last time, I had shared that 58% of the total servicing happens through self-help channels, the rest was through branch and call ce
71%
lp channels, the rest was through branch and call centers. Within a quarter, that has increased to 71%, the rest being through branch. And self-help channel, 71% is quite an industry benchmark frankly.
25%
nts Our strong business momentum, and we had said, we had promised that we will maintain at least 25% CAGR in retail book and we will achieve 80% Retailisation by 2026 and you know that the same time
80%
d said, we had promised that we will maintain at least 25% CAGR in retail book and we will achieve 80% Retailisation by 2026 and you know that the same time last year, we were around ~43-44%? What have
44%
ll achieve 80% Retailisation by 2026 and you know that the same time last year, we were around ~43-44%? What have we done this quarter? We have achieved highest ever quarterly retail disbursements, in
Rs. 10,000 crore
ter quarter we have been achieving new highs and for the first time retail disbursements are above Rs. 10,000 crores now which is 15% Q-on-Q growth and 84% Y-o-Y growth. Accepting that Q2 last year though was not i
15%
ing new highs and for the first time retail disbursements are above Rs. 10,000 crores now which is 15% Q-on-Q growth and 84% Y-o-Y growth. Accepting that Q2 last year though was not in the middle of pa
84%
the first time retail disbursements are above Rs. 10,000 crores now which is 15% Q-on-Q growth and 84% Y-o-Y growth. Accepting that Q2 last year though was not in the middle of pandemic, but still we w
Rs. 50,000 crore
st 3-4 quarters. Another significant achievement is our retail book for the first time has crossed Rs. 50,000 crores milestone. It now stands at Rs. 52,000 crores around which is 27% up Y- o-Y and more heartily a 9%
Rs. 52,000 crore
nt is our retail book for the first time has crossed Rs. 50,000 crores milestone. It now stands at Rs. 52,000 crores around which is 27% up Y- o-Y and more heartily a 9% Q-on-Q growth which gives us tremendous confi
27%
t time has crossed Rs. 50,000 crores milestone. It now stands at Rs. 52,000 crores around which is 27% up Y- o-Y and more heartily a 9% Q-on-Q growth which gives us tremendous confidence of achieving th
9%
res milestone. It now stands at Rs. 52,000 crores around which is 27% up Y- o-Y and more heartily a 9% Q-on-Q growth which gives us tremendous confidence of achieving the growth targets of Lakshya whil
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Guidance — 20 items
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Within this goal, we aim to pivot from a ‘product-focused’ organization to a ‘customer-focused’ approach by creating a Fintech @ Scale and I believe we are doing it quite well, starting with changing the organization structure which we spoke about in our last call and that has actually brought a lot of focus on various segments and has worked very well.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Even the best in the industry are around the same level and we hope to improve even further from here as we go towards them.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
It is in right now conceptualization stage, where we are making some small beginnings in the form of Apps and using the IT knowledge available in the group, we are developing something quite exciting and we will be, over the next year or so, we will be unfolding that slowly.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
• Disbursements Our strong business momentum, and we had said, we had promised that we will maintain at least 25% CAGR in retail book and we will achieve 80% Retailisation by 2026 and you know that the same time last year, we were around ~43-44%?
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Through our ALM strategy, we believe that our cost will increase less than proportionately than the e L&T Finance Holdings October 21, 2022 market increases in interest rate and by our product mix change and product strengths, we will be able to definitely maintain our NIMs plus fees at very healthy levels.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
As you know, our Lakshya goal is below 1% NS3 total and by 2026 most of the books will be retail anyway and this retail NS3 being at 0.88% works extremely well for us.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Now, last time I had indicated that by Q2 end, the impact of OTR will be largely over for us.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
• Mutual Fund Last update before I get into the details will be on Mutual Fund divestment.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
As I have always said, capital gains received from the deal will be primarily used for strengthening the balance sheet.
Dinanath Dubhashi
opening
Going forward as well, rural cash flow prospects are expected to further brighten on back of several positive cues such as first, elevated crop prices and crop realizations in upcoming quarters especially for the Rabi crop.
Risks & concerns — 6 flagged
Now, last time I had indicated that by Q2 end, the impact of OTR will be largely over for us.
Dinanath Dubhashi
So, for us, I can confidently state that the impact of OTR on P&L now is largely over.
Dinanath Dubhashi
So, it actually shows that we believe that the impact of OTR is over and credit costs are now firmly trending downwards.
Dinanath Dubhashi
With continuous improvement in collections and with the impact of OTR now largely behind us, credit costs have started showing significantly downward trend from this quarter onwards and we expect this trend of downward moment of credit cost to continue as we go ahead.
Dinanath Dubhashi
The four pillars were Sustained profit and growth engine, Demonstratable strength in risk management, Fintech @ Scale and Future growth through ESG.
Dinanath Dubhashi
Yes, and if we have to put out a number in terms of opex to assets, particularly on the Retail side, so where do you see it eventually, may be currently it is around about 4.4% and it has been in that range, but may be DSAs also there is lot of competitive pressure given dealer payouts and we’re still at the lower end, so do we see that this might inch up closer towards 5% or 4.75% or so, as we try to scale up?
Kunal Shah
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Q&A — 5 exchanges
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I had three questions. First one, while your consumer loan is completely a digital native product, the SME loan product seems to be, the channels for them both seem to be traditional as well as via the digital app and given that both these products are growing rapidly from a very small base, just wanted to get a better understanding of the target segment, ticket size and yields in these segments. That is the first one, second one is on the fee income, while the NIMs have expanded led by the retail growth and the mix change, the fee income has gone down sequentially. Given that the retail disbu
Dinanath Dubhashi
I will answer the first two, we are not giving product wise provision coverages and I think now disclosure norms are continuously being strengthened, so I am not sure I can give numbers which are not there in the investor presentation on the call. So, let me answer the first two which are more descriptive in nature. So, first the route., So, Consumer Loans, the credit algorithms on the entire customer segment really can be digital, can be completely data driven and hence not only credit, but the entire process including documentation, KYC, everything can be digital. And that is why, with that
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Firstly, in terms of the cost, when we are rolling out Retail products and launching many of the products, if you can just explain in terms of the cost of acquisition, how we are faring compared to that of the other players and how would we ensure the retention because may be you might acquire the customers, but most of these segments are very competitive and then we tend to lose it out to say some of the other banks and NBFCs as well, so how do we try to balance both in terms of the cost of acquisition, retention and where do we see the overall opex to assets with the scaled up Retail product
Dinanath Dubhashi
Excellent question, I will answer this in two ways, one is cost of opex and second is acquisition cost specifically. So overall opex. If you see overall opex, yes, it is higher than what it used to be maybe 2 years back. Right now, very importantly, is the investments that we are doing in new branches, in digital and in growing. And in our calculation, close to around 4% of cost to income is investment and the rest is steady state cost. This will continue even perhaps, large part of next year, as we grow branches, as we put more people in growing especially SME and Home Loans. SME and Home Loa
Q
Just one question is, while everything looks good on the macro and we clearly see collections improving etc., why did you have almost Rs. 500 crores kind of a write-off in the quarter?
Dinanath Dubhashi
See, it is like this, the entire OTR book, not entire, whatever moves, we have two choices here, that either to show GS3 and 100% provision or to write it off. So, only the GS3 number changes, right because the provision is 100%, the NS3 number will not change. So, let me at least write-off and get the tax advantage, it is a financial decision. Whatever is 100% provided, for business it is neutral and write-off doesn’t mean we give up the effort to collect. So, either we keep a 100% provision and collect or we write-off and collect. Business wise, it means the same. It is a financial decision.
Q
Sir, first question is around capital gains that you are expecting from the sale of your AMC business. Wanted to understand, though you have given brief commentary in the presentation, I wanted to understand what proportion, firstly what is the capital gains that you are expecting from this transaction and what proportion out of this will be utilized for macro prudential provisions and will the remaining be kind of kept on the balance sheet for growth capital?
Dinanath Dubhashi
Approximate capital gains, the pricing we have already told, how much it is, the total is about, we have sold it for USD 425 million plus cash and the surplus cash should be another USD 100 million, around that area. Now, it depends on many things. We were initially expecting the transaction to close in October end, so we had taken a cover up to that. We are now revising the cover, so what is the rate of cover, exactly when will be the date, rupee, dollar, at least the rupee dollar is depreciating, so at least we are happy. I don’t know what happens to the rest of the world, but we will finali
Q
Thank you. Thank you once again ladies and gentlemen, excellent questions, I would only like to once again express the confidence that not only the quarter is good in all aspects, growth, margins, cost, credit cost, excellent growth in ROA, NS3 for Retail, reduction in Wholesale, it is all happening according to plan, but various measures we are taking, various tools we are using, launching, various initiatives we are taking, products, digital makes us tremendously confident that we will be able to follow up on this act and improve it quarter and quarter as we go e L&T Finance Holdings October
Management
Speaking time
Dinanath Dubhashi
18
Moderator
7
Kunal Shah
4
Nischint Chawathe
4
Rikin Shah
3
Abhijit Tibrewal
3
Abhijeet Tibrewal
2
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Opening remarks
Dinanath Dubhashi
Thank you. A very good morning, ladies and gentlemen and a warm welcome to everybody who is attending this call. A very special quarter for us, we have done extremely well across all business metrics and also well on our way of achieving the milestones which were outlined by us in our Lakshya 26 strategy. In the annual meet that we held in May’22, I had shared with you our strategic plan of Lakshya 26 and its underlying goals. Post that the market scenario has changed considerably, in fact, I can say even drastically, whether in the country or even globally and even it is happening as we speak. We are witnessing new inflation highs in different parts of the world, tightening monetary policies, geopolitical conflicts, increasing interest rates, everything. Amidst all these changing micro variables, I mean there are some very positives also like demand growth in India, for example, especially in rural is very good. Amidst all these changes, I can proudly say that L&T Financial Services h
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