Narayana Hrudayalaya Ltd.
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7executives
Management on call
Viren Shetty
EXECUTIVE VICE CHAIRMAN
Emmanuel Rupert
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER & MANAGING DIRECTOR
R. Venkatesh
G R O U P CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER
Anesh Shetty
MANAGING DIRECTOR, OVERSEAS SUBSIDIARY HCCI
Nishant Singh
VICE PRESIDENT, FINANCE, MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS & INVESTOR RELATIONS
Durga Prasad
SENIOR MANAGER, MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS & INVESTOR RELATIONS
Venkatesh
Group COO, Dr. Anesh Shetty - MD of our overseas subsidiary,
Key numbers — 40 extracted
rs,
INR 12,216 million
29.9%
INR 45,248
million
22.2%
INR
2,904 million
23.8%
23.6%
29.3 million
28.2
million
22.5%
18.5%
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Guidance — 20 items
Mr. R. Venkatesh
opening
“If you look at the previous quarters, it was on a negative but gradually what has happened is the negativity has come down gradually and this is the fourth quarter where we've shown a positive EBITDA which shows positive direction in which we are moving and we hope to maintain this momentum for FY24 as well.”
Ms. Nirali Shah
opening
“So, we can expect a healthy margin of 15%-17% in the near term perspective of say five years and this will be sustainable, right?”
Dr. Anesh Shetty
opening
“So, yes, the initial guidance we had given was Q1.”
Mr. Nishant Singh
opening
“This number in a time spread will continue to grow but we will not expect this to grow very fast because our focus is not to have this revenue per bed at a very high level, at a very fast speed because we want to retain that affordable for all policy and hence we will see this growth but will not be the best in the industry.”
Mr. Nishant Singh
opening
“We will go steadily up but we don't have a clear guidance on this number.”
Mr. Viren Shetty
opening
“This will be mostly due to change in the patient profile, the case mix, improving the throughput, reducing the occupancy.”
Mr. Viren Shetty
opening
“So, essentially this will be housing all our clinics right now.”
Mr. Viren Shetty
opening
“We will be offering primary care services in these clinics.”
Mr. Viren Shetty
opening
“We will be being closer to where the patients are staying 7 and so in the periphery of our hospitals and close to the apartment societies, we will build up all these clinics.”
Mr. Yash Tanna
opening
“So, the revenue generating model will be more on a subscription basis or something like that?”
Risks & concerns — 4 flagged
So, it's still an uncertain number that we continue to work with but there is a significant margin of safety built in when we planned this facility.
— Dr. Anesh Shetty
But what we're really counting on in the longer term, which is a little much more uncertain, is the demand for radiotherapy services from the broader Caribbean region, which is in line with our overall medical tourism play for all our services.
— Mr. Viren Shetty
I'll summarize that, so the margin headwinds mostly around the fact we're entering an election year and so generally what happens is if you're exposed to a lot of government business, you'll be a little cautious because of the growing receivables.
— Mr. R. Venkatesh
We'd love to do that, the challenge is we need to understand the economics of the healthcare business on these islands, the certainty of rule of law, repatriation of profits, the general business environment etc.
— Dr. Anesh Shetty
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Opening remarks
MANAGEMENT
MR. VIREN SHETTY – EXECUTIVE VICE CHAIRMAN DR. EMMANUEL RUPERT – CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER & MANAGING DIRECTOR MR. R. VENKATESH – G R O U P CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER DR. ANESH SHETTY – MANAGING DIRECTOR, OVERSEAS SUBSIDIARY HCCI MR. NISHANT SINGH – VICE PRESIDENT, FINANCE, MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS & INVESTOR RELATIONS MR. DURGA PRASAD – SENIOR MANAGER, MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS & INVESTOR RELATIONS
Mr. Nishant Singh
Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Nishant Singh. I head the Investor Relations function at Narayana Hrudayalaya. I welcome you all to the Q4 FY23 earnings call of the company. To discuss our performance and address all your queries today, we also have with us Mr. Viren Shetty - our Executive Vice Chairman, Dr. Emmanuel Rupert - our CEO and MD, Mr. Venkatesh – Group COO, Dr. Anesh Shetty - MD of our overseas subsidiary, HCCI, Cayman, and Durga Prasad - Senior Manager from the team. Our group CFO - Ms. Sandhya, is not available for this call due to some unavoidable reasons. We hope you have gone through the collaterals, which have been upgraded on the stock exchanges as well as on our website. As usual, before we proceed with this call, we would like to remind everyone that the call is being recorded and the transcript of the same shall be made available on our website as well as on the stock exchange at a later date. I would also like to remind you that everything that is being said
Mr. Viren Shetty
Thanks, Doctor Rupert. When we started Narayana Hrudayalaya in 2000, we sought to transform health care by making high-quality care accessible to all. Nobody said it was possible at that time. But looking back, we are proud to have played a part in putting India on the path to disassociate healthcare access from affluence. At the same time, the medical research field is spending billions of dollars developing cutting edge treatments for diseases that were once considered inoperable. We shouldn't deny our people access to the latest and most expensive treatments but this is only possible when everyone's covered with Comprehensive Health Insurance. The IRDAI has been encouraging new entrants to develop innovative models of health insurance that cover the missing middle and NH would like to play a role in this new landscape. Our existing health insurance system operates on a fee-for-service model. It will pay you when you get sick, does nothing for you when you're healthy and runs in the
Mr. Nishant Singh
Thank you, Viren. I would request everyone to now use the ‘raise hand feature’ to start posing their questions and we will try to address them in this forum. Yes, Nirali, you may go ahead.
Ms. Nirali Shah
Yeah. Firstly, congratulations on a good set of numbers. My first question is, could you provide an update on the EBITDA margins for Mumbai in Q4 like in Q3, to be precise, in January Mumbai had had come to a breakeven. So, I would like to know EBITDA margins for Mumbai in Q4. Additionally, I'm also interested in understanding the current EBITDA margins for our relatively new hospitals in Gurugram and Dharamshila. And have we achieved a double digit margin in these two locations? I understand that Mumbai being a new one and we have just come across breakeven, so double digit is not possible for Mumbai but the other two, have we reached there? Have we achieved it?
Mr. R. Venkatesh
Yeah, the consolidated Q4 EBITDA for Mumbai is around INR 6 million which is around 2.3% in terms of EBITDA. This is the first time it has shown a positive EBITDA for the year at INR 6 million. If you look at the previous quarters, it was on a negative but gradually what has happened is the negativity has come down gradually and this is the fourth quarter where we've shown a positive EBITDA which shows positive direction in which we are moving and we hope to maintain this momentum for FY24 as well. Now, in terms of Gurugram, the Q4 EBITDA margin is approximately at 2% on a base revenue of INR 35 crores. On the whole year, it has generated a revenue of around INR 133 crores with INR 3.7 crores EBITDA at around 3% margin. When it comes to Dharamshila, the performances have been robust over the year. Our EBITDA margin is at around 16% at INR 8.5 crores on a revenue basis of INR 54 crores and for the full year the EBITDA margin is approximately 14% on INR 29 crores at a revenue base of INR
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