ICICIGINSEQ1 FY2024July 24, 2023

ICICI Lombard General Insurance Company Limited

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Management on call
Bhargav Dasgupta
MD & CEO
Gopal Balachandran
CFO & CRO
Sanjeev Mantri
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
Alok Agarwal
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
Bhargav Dasgupta
MD and CEO of the Company, Mr. Gopal Balachandran,
Key numbers — 40 extracted
41.3%
s, the inherent growth remains intact. The focus of the government on infrastructure has led to a 41.3% growth during Q1 FY2024 in the engineering line of business and is expected to show encouraging gr
17.9%
entiment. Speaking of the performance, the General Insurance industry delivered a GDPI growth of 17.9% for Q1 FY2024. Overall, the underwriting performance improved, with the combined ratio of the ind
115.8%
Y2024. Overall, the underwriting performance improved, with the combined ratio of the industry at 115.8% for FY2023 as against 119.1% for FY2022. For motor business, the combined ratio for the industry r
119.1%
ting performance improved, with the combined ratio of the industry at 115.8% for FY2023 as against 119.1% for FY2022. For motor business, the combined ratio for the industry remained elevated at 121.1% f
121.1%
t 119.1% for FY2022. For motor business, the combined ratio for the industry remained elevated at 121.1% for FY2023, up from 115.6% for FY2022. The combined ratio for Motor in H1 FY2023 was 123.5%, which
115.6%
otor business, the combined ratio for the industry remained elevated at 121.1% for FY2023, up from 115.6% for FY2022. The combined ratio for Motor in H1 FY2023 was 123.5%, which improved to 118.8% for H2
123.5%
ed at 121.1% for FY2023, up from 115.6% for FY2022. The combined ratio for Motor in H1 FY2023 was 123.5%, which improved to 118.8% for H2 FY2023. Moving to regulatory updates, the Authority on June 30,
118.8%
up from 115.6% for FY2022. The combined ratio for Motor in H1 FY2023 was 123.5%, which improved to 118.8% for H2 FY2023. Moving to regulatory updates, the Authority on June 30, 2023, published guidelin
18.9%
neration, age, and tenure. Moving to business impact for us in Q1 FY2024 - The Company grew by 18.9% as compared to the industry growth of 17.9%. Excluding Crop, the Company grew by 19.2% as against
19.2%
any grew by 18.9% as compared to the industry growth of 17.9%. Excluding Crop, the Company grew by 19.2% as against the industry growth of 17.4%. ICICI Lombard General Insurance Co.
17.4%
stry growth of 17.9%. Excluding Crop, the Company grew by 19.2% as against the industry growth of 17.4%. ICICI Lombard General Insurance Co. Ltd. July 18, 2023 Coming to the growth
17.0%
f key segments during the quarter-   In Property and Casualty lines of business, we grew at 17.0%, which was higher than the industry growth of 7.8%. Further during the quarter, we accreted marke
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Guidance — 11 items
Sanketh Godha
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So, our sourcing, which is the target loss ratio when we sourced our business, has also come down.
Nidhesh Jain
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So, are those trends continuing in this quarter also and because the business coming from our own website will be much better quality, though low, though more profitable probably over a period of time.
Nidhesh Jain
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Increasingly, that proportion of contribution of business of Motor coming in from, the OEM channel distribution will be in the range of about 60%- 65%.
Shreya Shivani
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So, what can we expect for the Lombard’s Motor segment for the full year and any guidance on the overall premium growth for FY2024, that's the first question?
Shreya Shivani
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To your first point on what is it that we can expect overall growth for the Company as a whole, I think in line with what we have spoken, as we always keep saying, the market needs to get better in terms of pricing.
Shreya Shivani
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And so that's clearly the expectation that we have at the Company, we have the necessary strength so far as distribution, claim service and technology is concerned and hence from an overall market standpoint, we would obviously want to expect to continue to have similar outperformance.
Shreya Shivani
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So, the only thing that would watch out for, to your point on what we could expect for the rest of the year, is the adherence to the expense of management guidelines that's coming to post from this year.
Avinash Singh
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So, the question then is that will these guys also renew next year if prices go down that we'll have to wait for.
Avinash Singh
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But as I said, Q1, particularly for engineering is relatively more long tail as the project starts to build over a period of time is where you will see a relatively larger proportion of earnings coming through.
Prakhar Sharma
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That's part one and just wanted to get a sense on, you know, the full year and next year combined ratio expectation, are we sticking to our earlier guidance, so these were my two questions.
Risks & concerns — 9 flagged
And to your other question in terms of where is the impact of cyclone losses largely sitting upon, it is predominantly in the property and the casualty line of businesses, which is in the fire and engineering line of businesses.
Prayesh Jain
July 18, 2023 we gave as a part of the opening remarks, for this quarter, the net impact of claims on account of cyclone losses has been about ₹35 crore.
Prayesh Jain
So, if you look at the current quarter it is actually lower, we don't see any significant pressure on the health loss ratio side.
Prayesh Jain
So, as and when we get to see the impact of the cycle, we will actualize those numbers.
Shreya Shivani
As Bhargav said, the price decline is a single digit number roughly in that range of, 5% to 7% decline in pricing and that's on expected lines.
Avinash Singh
Now this has the impact of the XOL cost.
Avinash Singh
It also has the impact of losses from cyclone as what I mentioned, very difficult to separately call out the impact of the XOL cost.
Avinash Singh
But if I were to just exclude the impact of cyclone losses, the loss ratio on fire, which is at about 85%, will look like about 64%-65% and engineering, ICICI Lombard General Insurance Co.
Avinash Singh
Till now, it doesn't look to be significantly an area of concern.
Prakhar Sharma
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Q&A — 7 exchanges
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Gopal Balachandran: Prayesh, the breakup of the overall health loss ratio numbers that you see, which is 78.7% for Q1 FY2024, the breakup of that for employer- employee or the group health is at about 92.6%. Retail indemnity business is at about 64.2%. And to your other question in terms of where is the impact of cyclone losses largely sitting upon, it is predominantly in the property and the casualty line of businesses, which is in the fire and engineering line of businesses. A very small proportion of claims is there in motor, but predominantly a large part of the impact on the cyclone is in
Prayesh Jain
Any reason for very high loss ratios on the group side, is there a spike in terms of number of claims or frequency or severity? Gopal Balachandran: So, nothing specific; if you see what we have been speaking about it Prayesh, even in the past on the employer-employee segment, generally we have spoken about the loss ratios to stay in the range of around 95% threshold between 90% to 95%, because it primarily comprises of two books as what we have spoken, one is relatively large corporates which runs at a loss ratio anywhere ranging between 95% to 100%. And then we have SME, which is relatively s
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My question is around the Motor OD business. If I look at the loss ratio numbers, consistently it has been improving from Q2 or Q1 of FY2023. That number is around 67%, so just wanted to understand that this number of 67% is sustainable or what corrective measures you have taken, except for the choice of not seizing the market share, that has led to the improvement in the loss ratio in the Motor segment, OD segment rather. That is one thing and second, just wanted to again understand this IL TakeCare app which you said today probably contributes almost 1% of your GDPI in Q1, so want to underst
Sanketh Godha
Bhargav, there's just one clarification, is this IL TakeCare app you are able to manage cross-sell predominantly retail health at Rs 58 crores or 59 crores or it is other products also you have seen the traction? Bhargav Dasgupta: It's other mix of products. We are seeing Two-wheelers, Health, Private cars, employees of corporates buying policies on their own. So, it's a mix of most products that we have there. Got it. And finally, last one, Gopal, if you can explain the reason why the commission costs have boosted, overall expense has not changed, but the commission cost has gone up while the
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Thanks for the opportunity. Firstly, if you could break the digital business, what percentage of business is coming from our own website, plus IL TakeCare and how are the trends in that segment on Y-o-Y basis? Bhargav Dasgupta: So, if you look at the way we manage this business, there is the Digital One team which looks at, if you remember, we had said there are two objectives that they have. One is the website business growth and the other is working with the digital ecosystem partners and we look at it together, that growth for this quarter is about 37.8%. The IL TakeCare number as we said i
Nidhesh Jain
Because if you look at the annual disclosure, I think last year in the public disclosure, the data indicates that the growth from our own website has not been that strong. It has been flattening out. Growth is largely coming from the digital ecosystem. So, are those trends continuing in this quarter also and because the business coming from our own website will be much better quality, though low, though more profitable probably over a period of time. So, how we think about the strategy on the digital side, from sourcing business from our own website? Gopal Balachandran: So, Nidhesh, it is a co
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I have two questions. First is on the total Motor segment. So, if I compare Lombard’s both loss ratio and growth across the private peers, I will specifically look at the private general insurer. So, many of them would have just a few percentage point higher loss ratio on this segment, but they're delivering about 15% growth in this quarter as per the IRDAI data. So, what can we expect for the Lombard’s Motor segment for the full year and any guidance on the overall premium growth for FY2024, that's the first question? And the second question is on the crop loss ratio, it seems a little higher
Shreya Shivani
So, one just clarification I wanted, the retail indemnity loss ratio that you mentioned at 64.2%, this is 64.2% for the retail indemnity sold by agents or the one which is getting sold by ICICI Bank? Bhargav Dasgupta: Not the group, this retail indemnity is the individual retail indemnity. And what is the loss ratio of the ICICI Bank portion that is getting sold ICICI Bank? Bhargav Dasgupta: We are not giving that level of detail, that is not fair on the part of distributor also.
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Two questions. So, first one is more on Commercial lines. Particularly fire and engineering, so there were sort of multiple factors affecting the pricing and all. So, just I mean if you can give some color on that adjusting for your cyclone losses, if there has been sort of an impact on overall claims ratio because of the pricing environment or if you can quantify the price changes effectively that happened in this quarter? So, that's one commercial line. Second on group health or employer- employee part, if you can provide some sort of either quantify or some qualitative disclosure in terms o
Management
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Just wanted to get a pulse of this flooding in the Northern Indian part. How big is the business? How should we assess any potential loss? That's part one and just wanted to get a sense on, you know, the full year and next year combined ratio expectation, are we sticking to our earlier guidance, so these were my two questions. Thank you. Bhargav Dasgupta: So, the second one is easier to answer. Yes, we are sticking to it in spite of these losses that catastrophe losses that we had in this quarter and the North Indian floods will come in the Q2 because these even now, as we speak, the losses ar
Management
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Except for the historical information contained herein, statements in this release which contain words or phrases such as 'will' , 'would' , ‘indicating’ , ‘expected to’ etc., and similar expressions or variations of such expressions may constitute 'forward-looking statements'. These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those suggested by the forward-looking statements. These risks and ICICI Lombard General Insurance Co. Ltd. July 18, 2023 uncertainties include, but are not limited to our
Management
Speaking time
Moderator
11
Prayesh Jain
3
Sanketh Godha
3
Nidhesh Jain
3
Shreya Shivani
3
Avinash Singh
1
Prakhar Sharma
1
Safe Harbor
1
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