HTMEDIANSEQ4 FY25May 20, 2025

HT Media Limited

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Management on call
Piyush Gupta
Group CFO - HT Media Ltd.
Pervez Bajan
Head Financial Controllership & Taxation - HT Media Group
Key numbers — 40 extracted
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year, your Company saw consistent growth in terms of both revenue and profitability in most quarters, indicating a broad-based upswing, especially in the latter half of the year. The improvement can be
12%
nt in net cash position as compared to the prior year. So, total revenue on quarterly basis grew 12%. PAT grew 88% from INR 30 cr to INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PA
88%
position as compared to the prior year. So, total revenue on quarterly basis grew 12%. PAT grew 88% from INR 30 cr to INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PAT came to a p
INR 30
as compared to the prior year. So, total revenue on quarterly basis grew 12%. PAT grew 88% from INR 30 cr to INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PAT came to a positive numbe
INR 57
o the prior year. So, total revenue on quarterly basis grew 12%. PAT grew 88% from INR 30 cr to INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PAT came to a positive number at INR 20 cr
7%
s grew 12%. PAT grew 88% from INR 30 cr to INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PAT came to a positive number at INR 20 cr, which is a substantial increase. And EBITDA grew
INR 20
INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PAT came to a positive number at INR 20 cr, which is a substantial increase. And EBITDA grew by 58%. If you see the net cash position, we h
58%
d PAT came to a positive number at INR 20 cr, which is a substantial increase. And EBITDA grew by 58%. If you see the net cash position, we have as of 31st March, cash in excess of INR 1,000 cr on the
INR 1,000
EBITDA grew by 58%. If you see the net cash position, we have as of 31st March, cash in excess of INR 1,000 cr on the books. Diving into the Print performance, despite muted growth in advertising and circu
INR 61
you look at the operating EBITDA margin, there's a strong growth, and quarter ended with EBITDA of INR 61 cr and on a full year basis, it was INR 121 cr, which is a growth of 67%. With a margin expansion,
INR 121
re's a strong growth, and quarter ended with EBITDA of INR 61 cr and on a full year basis, it was INR 121 cr, which is a growth of 67%. With a margin expansion, also, of ~400 basis points. If you break d
67%
r ended with EBITDA of INR 61 cr and on a full year basis, it was INR 121 cr, which is a growth of 67%. With a margin expansion, also, of ~400 basis points. If you break down the Print into Hindi and
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Guidance — 11 items
Piyush Gupta
opening
So, what is the rate at which you expect growth in the coming year in revenue?
Piyush Gupta
opening
So, we don't, give specific guidance on it, but broadly, as you can see, we have been, growing on a q-o-q basis, and the losses have also, reduced, from what we had reported last year.
Piyush Gupta
opening
We expect to keep up the momentum on the growth side, given that, it's still a very nascent business from that perspective and hopefully by the end of this year, we should be in a break-even situation.
Piyush Gupta
opening
So, look, Mohit, I think broadly because we don't give any guidance and we are investing behind a business in which we are seeing some traction on the top line, which of course is coming for a reasonable amount of cost.
Piyush Gupta
opening
4 May 20, 2025 And I can absolutely bet that, next year will be efficient.
Mohit Kumra
opening
Yeah, and do we expect similar growth going forward?
Piyush Gupta
opening
So, look, what I give you every year on a fully diluted basis our investment position will be, north of INR 1000 cr.
Jay Dattani
opening
All right and going forward, if you can give us kind of a guidance on that segment.
Anna Abraham
opening
also we have in this year done some level of investment, for scaling up for revenue going forward.
Anna Abraham
opening
If we need to build businesses, businesses are difficult to set up within two years, so therefore, there will be some level of investment that we have to do if we have to make inroads into a new business segment, which is what OTTplay is, and to establish it.
Risks & concerns — 9 flagged
In circulation revenue, there's a decline of 27% for the quarter, and, on a full year basis, it's a decline of 14%.
Piyush Gupta
In Hindi, again, we see the softness in revenue continuing with the decline of 5% on a quarterly basis and a 4% on an annual basis.
Piyush Gupta
On circulation revenue, you see 7% decline on a quarterly basis and a 9% decline on an annual basis.
Piyush Gupta
So, difficult to predict, but we would be looking to continue the growth momentum.
Piyush Gupta
So, a substantial part of the properties and the risk and reward and the economics of that is sitting in HMVL's financials.
Piyush Gupta
Which is of-course not maintainable this year because the first quarter had the CoC also coming in and therefore most Hindi players have declined on the back of decline in Government revenue.
Anna Abraham
The revenues still remain a challenge largely for the industry.
Anna Abraham
Unless the regulatory changes come in, there'll be some level of pressure on margins because that platform has not seen revenues come back, post-Covid to the extent say Print has or Digital has, etc.
Anna Abraham
If we need to build businesses, businesses are difficult to set up within two years, so therefore, there will be some level of investment that we have to do if we have to make inroads into a new business segment, which is what OTTplay is, and to establish it.
Anna Abraham
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Speaking time
Anna Abraham
24
Yash R.
13
Piyush Gupta
9
Aaditya Mulani
7
Mehul Parikh
6
Mohit Kumra
5
Mehul Pathak
5
Jay Dattani
2
Yash R
1
Opening remarks
Piyush Gupta
Thanks Aaditya, thanks, Anna. We'll be tracking the webinar on the screen. So, let's dive into it. So, the first slide is consolidated financial summary. As you can see, growth seen in overall revenue and profitability for the concluded quarter, as well as the fiscal year. On the left side is the quarterly financials. On the right side, you can see the annual numbers. Robust improvement in net cash position as compared to the prior year. So, total revenue on quarterly basis grew 12%. PAT grew 88% from INR 30 cr to INR 57 cr. On a full year basis, the revenue growth was 7%, and PAT came to a positive number at INR 20 cr, which is a substantial increase. And EBITDA grew by 58%. If you see the net cash position, we have as of 31st March, cash in excess of INR 1,000 cr on the books. Diving into the Print performance, despite muted growth in advertising and circulation, segment profitability remains very strong, led by softer newsprint prices. So, as you can see, the ad revenues are flat to
Piyush Gupta
We will now begin the Q&A session. You can click on the “Raise Hand” option, which will enable the moderator to unmute you for posing your query. Please introduce yourself before posing your query and kindly restrict to a maximum of 2 questions per participant, so that we may be able to address questions from all participants. We will wait for a few moments while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Mohit Kumra. Please introduce yourself and ask your question. Good afternoon. This is Mohit Kumra. My questions are specifically directed to HMVL and to OTTplay to get even more specific. So, in this quarter, we have done about INR 20 cr of revenue and we are losing about INR 1.30 for every INR 1 of sale, approximately. So, what is the rate at which you expect growth in the coming year in revenue? And at what point do we at least get to a 1:1, break even? Like, what is your estimate in this matter? So, we don't, give specific guidance on it, but broadly, as y
Piyush Gupta
Absolutely. If you see the 4th quarter’s growth versus the same quarter, last year and versus the 1st quarter this year, both in absolute number and the gradient of growth, you can see a difference. I just look at the first quarter's call versus this quarter's call on OTTplay.
Piyush Gupta
On your latest balance sheet, how much, and I'm only speaking of HMVL right now, standalone. What is the amount of ad-for-equity property which is sitting on your balance sheet right now? Well, we don't give that number separately, but I can tell you, for quite some time now, substantial part of our ad-for-equity deals, are happening on the HMVL balance sheet. So, a substantial part of the properties and the risk and reward and the economics of that is sitting in HMVL's financials.
Piyush Gupta
Broadly, I will give you that number this year also. So, look, what I give you every year on a fully diluted basis our investment position will be, north of INR 1000 cr. Now those numbers are very high-level numbers. We will not be able to give you a diluted state, what's equity, what's convertible instruments, what's real estate, what's profit, what's the revenue, and so on and so forth, but a substantial part of that is sitting in HMVL for sure. 5
Mohit Kumra
So last year you confirmed that it was approximately INR 250 cr. Are we still around there only? I'm talking only of HMVL. May 20, 2025
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