Narayana Hrudayalaya Ltd.
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Management on call
Viren Shetty
VICE CHAIRMAN
Emmanuel Rupert
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER & MANAGING DIRECTOR
Sandhya J
GROUP CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
R. Venkatesh
GROUP CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER
Anesh Shetty
MANAGING DIRECTOR, OVERSEAS SUBSIDIARY HCCI
Ravi Vishwanath
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, NHIC
Nishant Singh
VICE PRESIDENT, FINANCE, MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS & INVESTOR RELATIONS
Venkatesh
Group COO, Dr. Anesh Shetty - MD
Key numbers — 40 extracted
rs,
INR 20
25 crore
INR 9 crore
120 million
45%
200 million
42%
40%
25%
85%
INR 9.3 crore
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Guidance — 20 items
Nishant Singh
opening
“My name is Nishant Singh, and I welcome you all to the Q1 FY26 Earnings TRANSCRIPT Call for the company.”
Prithvi
opening
“Is it the same and you expect patient numbers to return back in this quarter, or has there been anything structural that happened in the last quarter?”
Anesh Shetty
opening
“And the next quarter as we proceed, maybe two or three quarters, things should stabilize.”
Prithvi
opening
“So, can we expect, or can we look at the Cayman Hospital business as $200 million revenue under 40 to 42% of EBITDA margin business on a sustainable basis?”
Anesh Shetty
opening
“Yeah, I think it is difficult to give exact guidance to that extent.”
Anesh Shetty
opening
“So, there will be to that extent that change.”
Anesh Shetty
opening
“Longer term, we expect this to be a breakeven to plus or minus, slightly positive, hopefully by the end of the year or 1st Quarter next year.”
Anesh Shetty
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“In fact, I would say the reason why we find it difficult to give an exact prediction on EBITDA as a percentage terms, because it's going to be challenging to predict the relative revenue between the Integrated Care business and the Hospital going forward, especially because the Integrated Care is going to see good revenue growth since it's starting from a low base.”
Anesh Shetty
opening
“But in absolute terms, it would depend on where the revenue lands up the next quarter.”
Anesh Shetty
opening
“Having said that, we don't expect to see wild swings, unlike the Hospital business.”
Risks & concerns — 15 flagged
If you have to look at the discharges and OP patients’ number, it has come down on a sequential basis and the decline seems to be quite high.
— Prithvi
And if I have to look at the absolute EBITDA number for Cayman business, on a sequential basis, the decline seems to be around INR 20-25 crores.
— Prithvi
Yeah, I think it is difficult to give exact guidance to that extent.
— Anesh Shetty
The reason we're doing it is to aid in our entire ecosystem of services to have a very safe lock-in with all our customers, to create this multi-touchpoint experience for patients so that longer term, we have a very safe, non-volatile earning stream from this geography.
— Anesh Shetty
In fact, I would say the reason why we find it difficult to give an exact prediction on EBITDA as a percentage terms, because it's going to be challenging to predict the relative revenue between the Integrated Care business and the Hospital going forward, especially because the Integrated Care is going to see good revenue growth since it's starting from a low base.
— Anesh Shetty
No, I'm saying, say compared to the… because on Q1 numbers, we saw IP, OP volume seeing some decline quarter-on-quarter, but you grew in the top line, right?
— Damayanti
The challenge to give you a percentage prediction or guidance for the console picture, is because it depends on the relative revenue contribution of the Integrated Care business, which as of now is yet to break even.
— Anesh Shetty
The focus is on risk management and underwriting, and making sure that we are building a business that will be sustainable over the long term.
— Ravi Vishwanath
So, you are going to see that drag effect of that.
— Anesh Shetty
And also I just wanted to confirm, so basically is it possible for the team to tell the drag number from the Integrated Care business on the Cayman?
— Nancy
You know, it is difficult to give a split between domestic and international.
— Anesh Shetty
And I think it's one of the key differentiators to help us manage the risk in the book over a long-term basis.
— Niraj
Construction is, very, very difficult for us to understand.
— Viren Shetty
But, historically, insurance is a business of gathering enough pool in order to manage the risk correctly.
— Deekshant
And, of course, our expertise being a hospital provider, we are able to manage risk better.
— Deekshant
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Opening remarks
NH MANAGEMENT TEAM
MR. VIREN SHETTY – VICE CHAIRMAN DR. EMMANUEL RUPERT – CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER & MANAGING DIRECTOR MS. SANDHYA J – GROUP CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER MR. R. VENKATESH – GROUP CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER DR. ANESH SHETTY – MANAGING DIRECTOR, OVERSEAS SUBSIDIARY HCCI MR. RAVI VISHWANATH – CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, NHIC MR. NISHANT SINGH – VICE PRESIDENT, FINANCE, MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS & INVESTOR RELATIONS MR. VIVEK AGARWAL, SENIOR MANAGER, IR FUNCTION
Nishant Singh
Hello, everyone. My name is Nishant Singh, and I welcome you all to the Q1 FY26 Earnings TRANSCRIPT Call for the company. To discuss our performance and address all your queries today, we also have with us Mr. Viren Shetty - Vice Chairman, Dr. Emmanuel Rupert - CEO and MD, Mrs. Sandhya Jayaraman - Group CFO, Mr. Venkatesh - Group COO, Dr. Anesh Shetty - MD of our Overseas Subsidiary, HCCI, Mr. Ravi Vishwanath – CEO, NHIC and Vivek - Senior Manager in the IR function. Before we proceed with this call, we would like to remind everyone that the call is being recorded and the transcript of the same shall be made available on our website as well as on the stock exchange later. We would also like to remind you that everything that is being said on this call that reflects any outlook for the future or which can be construed as a forward-looking statement, must be viewed in conjunction with the uncertainties and the risks that they face. With that now, we would like to start the Q&A session. I
Prithvi
Thanks, Nishant. Anesh I just have a few questions on Cayman. If you have to look at the discharges and OP patients’ number, it has come down on a sequential basis and the decline seems to be quite high. We just wanted to understand this is something we saw in the past, there is some quarterly volatility in Cayman numbers. Is it the same and you expect patient numbers to return back in this quarter, or has there been anything structural that happened in the last quarter?
Anesh Shetty
Yeah, I think you're right. As you recall, since we commissioned the new hospital… you had the Q4 of last year and Q1 of this year being the first two quarters of the new hospital. And if you recollect, even in the early days of Cayman when the hospital was new, when we're starting a new building with low base, low volumes, you're going to see this volatility up and down. But these are just standard blips quarter-to-quarter because the structure is new. And the next quarter as we proceed, maybe two or three quarters, things should stabilize. But your intuition is right. These are things that happen in the early days and they will settle in as we progress. On the ground, we have no reason to have any concerns around the growth trajectory with the new building. 2
Prithvi
Got it. And if I have to look at the absolute EBITDA number for Cayman business, on a sequential basis, the decline seems to be around INR 20-25 crores. I understand there is a INR 9 crore number coming from the Integrated Care. What explains the remaining difference in the EBITDA numbers on a sequential basis?
Anesh Shetty
So if you account for the slight decrease quarter-on-quarter in the Hospital business, aside from that, maybe I'll just say that the Hospital business as such, the economics have not changed, whether it's comparing Q4 to Q1 or a few quarters later. It's just that right now we have broken up and we are starting to see the Integrated Care business ramp up significantly in revenue terms, which is obviously at a very different margin profile, A) given it's a new business and B) it is Integrated Care insurance, which is very different on a margin profile from the Hospital business. So, the Hospital business itself, the economics remain unchanged. We did have a slight revenue decrease quarter-on-quarter. You are, again, going to see some early volatility in case mix. In the previous quarter, we had few in volume, but high value cases, which you generally tend to have higher margins. This time, that was not the case; you saw that reflected in the volumes as well. But over the next few quarter
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